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Trouble with moneybookers.com

I'm having a rather bad first experience with moneybookers.com, a UK-based service similar with PayPal. It's been about two weeks since I received some money for the first time using this service, and although I requested a withdrawal nothing has happened (a confirmation screen had shown up but I didn't get any confirmation email, my account balance hasn't changed, nothing in my history) and I'm not receiving replies to my emails.

The service seems professional and all, and I'm not worried about whether it is legit or not, but their customer service really sucks so far.

After about 5 emails sent that remain unanswered, I now feel at a loss as how to deal with this. So if you're familiar with moneybookers and think you can help, or, better, if you know how I can get ahold of these guys, let me know. I'd truly appreciate.
I don't really want to try calling because the long distance call would make it senseless to use their "free" service in the first place.

... By the way, I'd like to point out something I found very strange in their procedures...
When adding a credit card to your account, you must "verify" it before making payments. This requires sending them a proof that you own the actual card, which is done like this:

Submit clear and readable copies of the following documents to us:

(i) the front and back of the credit card; AND
(ii) recent credit card statement signed by the credit card owner (purchase or ATM advice slips cannot be accepted); AND
(iii) valid official identification document with picture (such as ID card, passport or driver's license).

Via email: Send a scan copy to service\at\moneybookers\dot\com (JPEG or GIF file formats only with a maximum size of 364KB per page)

Via fax: ...

Now that's a lot of personal documents to send... "via email"!?? This completely voids their use of SSL in the first place.
Surely there are some missing bolts in their system, but at this point I only care about getting my cash, as their payment receipt email suggests:

Your money is waiting for you in your moneybookers.com account.
We hope you enjoy your cash.

...

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Man, there is no way I would send any type of CC information via e-mail. But, why on earth would anyone need that much information? Even if it is legit, it still reeks of some sort scam. I'd say when (if) you get your money, close the account and have you don't encounter any unexpected charges to you cards.

Posted by Jon on February 20, 2005 at 00:08

Yeah I'll definitely do that...! Hoping that I _will_ get my money.

I'm still under the impression that it's a legit service though, as many online shops seem to be accepting it. So I guess that it must be working out for most of them.

Posted by Patrick on February 20, 2005 at 00:18

I'd get whatever useful info you can from their fine print, like their office address and if they are using or affiliated with some sort of financial or credit service.

Okay then contact the office of one your credit cards that you've had an okay relationship with and tell the credit card that you'd like to use moneybookers services but have security concerns.

I think it might be an interesting strategy to pose a good question to your credit card company. Offer them the info you know about Moneybookers and ask your credit card company if it's VISA or Mastercard or whomever your card belongs to that's making verification so tough that you have to do something risky securitywise in order to use a financial service you'd like to use because it appeases their credit card service.

I just think that sort of angle gets them to hopefully come up with a better answer than a dismissive lecture on what you shouldn't do to protect your card

Posted by ndkent on February 20, 2005 at 16:30

Thank you very much Nick! I think I'll give that a try!

Posted by Patrick on February 20, 2005 at 23:22

WHEW, I finally got an answer! What a delay...
Hopefully things will move on and my withdrawal will get completed sometime soon.

Posted by Patrick on February 22, 2005 at 10:15

Bad news is that they still want me to send them copies of personal documents (not my credit card though) by fax or email before proceeding with my withdrawal.

Posted by Patrick on February 22, 2005 at 21:45

Hi Patrick,

something simular is needed with Paypal in Germany if the amount of money reaches a sum of 7500 Euro. Paypal wants you to send some legitimation like a copy of your last energy invoice with your address printed on it. We first wonder about that. But showing an invoice with your name on it makes sure that your address is correct.

Best

Markus

Posted by Markus on February 24, 2005 at 04:39

That makes sense. I'm trying to withdraw about 2000yen so it seems like a lot of trouble for such a small amount.

They requested copies of my passport or a photo ID, and a bank statement or gas/electricity invoice. I still don't like sending these documents by email and they don't have a secure interface to upload them, so I uploaded them to a secure server of mine and asked them to download the files from there.
Hopefully they'll figure it out and get back to me soon.

Posted by Patrick on February 24, 2005 at 11:29

Hi Patrick,

at Paypal it is not the sum of a single transaction but the sum of all previous transactions. If it reaches some level you have to legitimate. I like the idea that there is some proof in the process.

Isn't there any way to fax the documents to a local number in Japan? PayPal has such service here in Germany.

/Markus

Posted by Markus Kreisel on February 25, 2005 at 03:04

Nope. There probably isn't for PayPal either, since the site isn't localized in Japanese.

Posted by Patrick on February 25, 2005 at 08:32

Hello
Have sent them A$750 more than a week ago by direct bank transfer - still not credited and so far none of my emails have been replied to. I think I must now go to the police.

Erwin Vogler

Posted by Erwin Vogler on March 18, 2005 at 08:07

They finally proceeded with verifying my account a few days ago. It took countless emails (many remained unanswered and ignored) and near a month and a half. I am planning to post all details soon.
They are certainly very misorganized.

Posted by Patrick on March 18, 2005 at 08:11

I'm having problems with them too. I'm a customer of Skype.com and Skype recently started using moneybookers to purchase credit for Skype internet telephony service. very cumbersome. and they asked me to send copy of ID just to credit 10euros. I've sent a scanned copy and am now concerned as to whether they are legit. any ideas would be helpful.

Posted by Jim on March 19, 2005 at 00:06

Hai
I am also using this moneybookers.com for skype.com ..just today i created the account and i didnt send the copies of my documents, and i want to delete that account because it seems suspecious, and i am using my debit card, if you know any thing about how to delete account please tell. and there is no deletion option in that site

my mail id is gopi799 /AT/ gmail /DOT/ com
Any help is appreciated
With regards Gopi

Posted by Gopi on March 19, 2005 at 01:08

Sorry to hear about everyone's problems. In a way I'm glad to know it wasn't just me though. I wish they will open their eyes and do something to better serve their customers.

I've posted a detailed update of how things have been going here:
http://www.chipple.net/mt/2005/03/19_001886.php

Posted by Patrick on March 19, 2005 at 01:59

All the identification stuff is a result of the crack-down on money laundering by drug dealers and terrorists. The Paypals and Moneybookers of the world don't demand this info to scam you, they do it to keep the FBI, CIA, MI5 etc etc off their backs.

Posted by Alex Rosser on June 24, 2005 at 13:56

Sure, sure. But Moneybookers are too strict, too slow, and doesn't give any feeling that things are being done right. You'd expect them to be responsive when people send them personal documents and bank transfers, but they're not.

Posted by Patrick on June 24, 2005 at 14:02

Moneybookers customer service is slow and their website is stark. Scam artists are taking advantage of this situation in order to commit fraud. In my case, I had arranged a purchase with a seller who turned out to be a con. The 'seller' sent me a detailed fake moneybookers invoice via email requesting that I western union money to a 'moneybookers agent'-yeah right-go find another sucker!

While I believe moneybookers had nothing to do with the scam, it is their lack of infrastructure that makes such a scam possible. If buyers could view details of a transaction from the webpage and if customer service would respond in less than a week or two, these scams could be minimized. Maybe when moneybookers matures they will offer better protection, but for until such time I would reccomend sticking with the giants (paypal or escrow.com.) Moneybookers seems only minimally interested that people masquerading as fake moneybookers agents and sending out fake moneybookers invoices.

Posted by satsu1 on September 11, 2005 at 12:54

moneybookers are a thieves

Posted by somo on December 18, 2005 at 06:24

moneybookers customer service is shit.

i would advise steering well clear of them. it is run from a tiny tempory rented office space. i am trying to get the company director/owners details which we are entitled to by law. i will be posting them on the internet.

Posted by beheadings on January 14, 2006 at 21:07

Similar problems, I'm afraid. I've used Moneybookers for a year, mostly for online gaming transactions. I withdrew £2700 from a bookmaker last week, and pretty much immediately got asked for ID, which I sent at once. No problem with this.

However they have since failed to respond to a single e-mail (at least 3 per day) to explain what was going on and when my account would be unlocked (it's virtually impossible for me to call them during the day).

I've discovered since that others are in a similar position - one person faxed ID, and Moneybookers claim not to have received the fax. Given that the fax was sent and therefore received, this is a clear lie.

I'm coming to terms with the realisation that I can probably wave goodbye to three grand, but please if you have cash with these shysters, get it clear of the account as soon as you can. This has all the signs of being a scam organisation, including transfer fees which are way too low to run a business from.

Posted by Jan on January 27, 2006 at 04:54

One other comment site about moneybookers stated that if a follow up email was received by them, then it automatically sent your original email to the back of the cue to be with it.

That seems to be a weird way for an email answering system to work, but it may partly explain people that send them regular emails not getting answered as fast as others who don't.

Posted by Brian on January 29, 2006 at 02:57

I often got a reply soon after sending one of many emails*, so I really wouldn't go as far as believing that cue thing, which really must just be a speculation.

* See my chronological history of Moneybookers trouble.
http://www.chipple.net/mt/2005/03/19_001886.php

Posted by Patrick on January 29, 2006 at 11:25

I am also having trouble verifying a credit card. What they do is charge a small random amount of money to the card you list in your account on their website, like $1.20, and then when it is posted on your charge card account, you enter the exact amount in the verification box in your $Bkrs acct and that supposedly verifies that you can spend the HUGE amount of $67. every 60 days. So I tried putting 3 charge cards on the account and only one was recognised to be charged the small amount - while ALL are listed there. But the small amount has not shown up on the charge card balance, even tho #bkrs emailed that it was charged.
I have sent 4 emails since, and whoa, what a surprise, no answer.
I am having a friend in London call all the numbers I have for them, perhaps a real person will explain what the problem is, aside from a very badly managed business.
It appears to me that they only want bank wire transfers to fund, and are practicing "discouragement by ignorance" of the credit card aspect of a person's account.
Here are the numbers I have collected: 44 207 419 5726 and 0905 848 0011 and +442088804032
ARlie

Posted by Arlie on January 31, 2006 at 18:20

This moneybookers sucks = I did everything they ask on their site and guess what? nothing happens. My limit is US 20 for 90 days (where can I spend that fortune in such a short ime?) and I have $ 3.500 stuck there...
Of course they do NOT answer my e-mail nor faxes

Posted by aurelio beroth on February 1, 2006 at 01:50

I haven't use MB yet, but I did make the verification of my credit card. The amount of money showed instantly in my account....

Posted by George on February 6, 2006 at 09:45

moneybookers customer service sucks.
they ignore emails, but........

they are trying to bully me into removing references to their site on my magicmushroom site and they replied in less than 5 minutes to my email with more threats. but when i email with regard to getting my funds it is ignored. they want everybody to phone their premium rate phone line.

anybody can lease a script for £30 a month and start a dodgey payment website.

steer well clear. stormpay is living proof of what a mess it can turn into.

Posted by the truth about moneybookers on February 14, 2006 at 10:16

Tried the Moneybookers telephones today, they have all have been disconnected.

Looks like MB have closed shop and pulled the plug.

Only the US listed fax number seemed to work, although no answer after 8 hours.

Posted by stuart wade on February 26, 2006 at 12:04

I am not necessarily advocating moneybookers as I have only used it once but so far no problems. Money upload went fine, including credit card verification which only involved them making v low instant withdrawal from my credit card and me inputing this amount on their website and then having that value instantly credited to my moneybookers account (all happened within 1 day!)

Now have requested withdrawal so we will see but received confirmation email straight away so seems ok to me.

I don't know where Arlie got those numbers from but the correct nos on the moneybookers website are

UK: 0905 848 0011
International: +44 709 204 2000

Also found further info about company on http://www.electronic-payments.co.uk/Products/moneyB/data_sheet.jsp
including another tel no: +44 870 225 5040 which works because I have just used it today!

Posted by Emma on March 10, 2006 at 21:56

Maybe legit but certainly dear. They charge the buyer to "upload" funds anything up to 2.5% and then a further "verification" charge of between £1.01 and £2.99 (nice little earner) where as PayPal charges a max (if I recall correctly of £0.20) Certainly, I wouldn't use other than I had no option. Maybe legit but I feel they are certainly NOT the best service of this type about

Posted by Peter Dobson on March 12, 2006 at 05:30

I'm having a hellacious time getting a simple withdrawl from my account. Their site has me caught in an endless loop that goes like this:

* Log in and go to My Account
* click on Withdraw Funds
* Select my bank account as the source
* enter the full balance availabe in the box and hit Next
* comes to a screen that says 'We're unable to verify your information so here's your choices...blah blah blah.... we deposit some $$'s into your bank account and you get the verification code...blah blah blah OR give us your credit card information.

* I select to verify my bank account option so it takes me back to the account choices screen where I have to enter an amount of less than $15 US. I enter $14 and press next.

* Now i'm taken back to the page that tells me i'm not validated! GRRRRR

* I select to validate my bank account... AGAIN!! Click next and get the same farking message as before!

"In order to verify your bank account, you need to request a bank transfer withdrawal with an amount less than USD 15.00. We will then make a payment for this amount to your bank account and include a unique verification code in its reference field. This is the code which you will have to enter after you receive the payment.

The verification procedure should be completed within 3 banking days. As soon as you enter the verification code successfully in the field below, your member status will be upgraded to 'verified'. You will then be able to request withdrawals from your account freely."

* below that is the place to put the verification code. But nothing gets deposited, nothing confirms the withdrawl, nothing gets me my money...AND NOTHING GETS ME VALIDATED!

I've sent two emails to their service@ email address posted and have not heard a thing. Not even a lame autoresponse acknowledging that they've received our request, yada yada yada.

I'd call these pricks but from what i've read i'd be on the international call for enough time to chew up the whole balance they hold.

I only use these jokers since an affiliate program I belong to uses their services. Otherwise they can go piss up a rope.

Anyone having this problem?

Posted by Bozo The Clown on April 1, 2006 at 03:44

I have to say, i am very unimpressed with moneybookers, i think that they are a bunch of crooks, they don't respond to emails and their site is just a nightmare.
I purchased an item off ebay and a suggested form of payment was moneybookers, similar to paypal, or so i thought. how am i supposed to pay for a $220 item when i am only allowed to send $70 per 90 days. I tried to pay the money back to myself, SORRY, can't do that either!!! (unless you send them some more money) thay already have enough of mine!!!

I am pretty pissed off that shit like this happens. It's just a joke, like moneybookers!!!

Posted by kiwicraig on April 1, 2006 at 04:55

hell.. fuck that site..

alot of delays in payments.. they pay only 95%....
alot of delauy in that.. no body picks phone..

and autoresponder working for mb.

helll with paypal and mB both...

Posted by Victor Harris on April 20, 2006 at 21:03

I too signed-up with MB since paypal is not yet accepted in my country and MB seemed to be the only other alternative to paypal for non-paypal countries.

The signing-up was easy and I thought that I had things smooth-sailing.

Problem started when I tried to upload funds via my own credit card...I was getting a message "verification failure" all the time. I then think it is probably because my address in my credit card is different from the address in my moneybookers account.

So then I proceed to attempt to change my MB address to my CC address. It seems smooth and then it asks for your birthday. I input my birthday and then I get a message "wrong birthday"! WTF! How can I not know my birthday!

It is a good thing that I haven't actually told somebody to send money to me yet or did I make any transactions yet.

I sent them an email about this and of course, there was no reply.

How many of you guys in reality really had a smooth thing with MB?

Posted by randy on May 24, 2006 at 12:33

So is that a good thing to use this MB.for transfer money from Germany to Thailand? i need to know!

Posted by Risker on June 11, 2006 at 03:36

I wish I had read this post before I used Moneybookers. I uploaded some money to my MB account and the money was rightly deducted from my bank account. But 4 days have passed, my balance in MB is still $0.00. I called +44 709 204 2000 yet the line seems to be disconnected. Sent a email to them a few hours ago, yet based on what I read from this post, I would not expect any answer from these bastards.

Will try the other number though.

Posted by Feng on June 13, 2006 at 04:07

I called +44 870 225 5040 3 times. Oooops, surprise! Somebody picked up the phone. I explaned my problem. And gave my email address, he asked for my DOB and post code. Then he said that he could see the money is on the way from my account. And he will check with his finance department to find out then the money can be credited to my account. Just have to trust him at this moment.

Posted by Feng on June 13, 2006 at 21:55

I'm having trouble with moneybookers, they're pissing me off. I registered with moneybookers with a different birthdate to my real one ...i put a fake birthdate. In this case, i've forgotten the fake birthdate and when i went to send money overseas i didn't think that moneybookers would ask for the birthdate to verify the payment. I called moneybookers two days ago and was told to email my drivers licence (i blanked out the the number) it has been two days and still no response and was told the problem would be fixed immedietley. I've emailed them again, hopefully they respond

Posted by mush on June 14, 2006 at 00:50

Does Moneybookers act like paypal,
when I talk about freezing of accounts,
linking of accounts.

I which and how many cases do they freeze the money - as often as paypal?

When do you need to give them personal verification? before withdrawal of the money?

What fees do they charge if a withdawal fails?

questions over question I know,
but I don't want to make a mistake a second time (painpal)

Posted by franz on June 14, 2006 at 22:40

"Bozo The Clown" I'm having the same issue you had! How did you managed to pass over it?

Posted by Oliver on August 22, 2006 at 00:55

moneybookers.com sucks. I just tried to send somebody $284 for an ebay auction i won. it's impossible to figure how much to add to the account because of the fees on both teh "add" and "Send" money features.

REgistering took 4 days and the site froze my ability to use credit cards in the meantime due to me having to try to verify so many cards (visa doesn't like this site and they automatically rejected it)

the site also stores all credit card infromation online. i had to try to add 4 different cards, only 1 was successful, yet it stores every number i had to enter.

all in all this site pure plain just sucks ass. don't use it. good luck getting your funds.

Posted by tim on September 28, 2006 at 23:12

I upload 69 USD to their account in Turkey. I called the bank they claimed that it is in moneybookers account currently.
But moneybookers denied this fact. And they said, do whatever you can do take your money back. But bank requires their commitment to give me the money back.
Do not use moneybookers!!!

Posted by Ümit DOĞAN on October 18, 2006 at 01:08

i don't have a problem with account limits.. my limit is over 20 000$ .. but the idots locked my account, and asked me "with what purpose did i send or recive funds from other moneybookers clients" if it's like their f...ing business..
i run an affiliate program with several sportsbook websites, and nowadays it is realy hard to find new people to place bets or play poker because the internet is full of such banners,so my "thing" is that i send new players some extra money as an incentive to play through my links.. it probably looks from their point of view like a fraud, but it's not... not that i know of.
since when it is illegal to give people money..

anyway they finaly responded to my emails and told me their security department needs more time to make investigations,.. this they tell me after two weeks of waiting for a response.

another thing i've discovered, is that they only respond to questions sent in english, altough it has many languages,.. the emails are probibly predefined in other languages and when you send them a question in another language they can't understand- and don't tell you this.. they let you wait like an idiot in front of your computer and send e-mails like crazy...
i hope they sort it out.. i had no problems with withdrawals and deposits wich is a good thing :)

Posted by bogdan on October 21, 2006 at 04:06

why does Skype even use them? I've only gotten as far as verifying my credit card (which they finally did)--by the way, paypal does verification too), but after reading all these posts, I will definitely not transfer any money to them. I want to remove my credit card info from their site--has anyone been able to close their account with them?

Posted by kr on November 10, 2006 at 12:39

bogdan how did your situation play out? I am having the exact same problem except they not only want to verify my account they want EVERYONE ive ever done business with to verify their accounts as well before releasing my money. Thats well over 50 people and thats just not going to happen. I am very worried.

Posted by BoBo on January 28, 2007 at 10:57

I'm trying to get money from templatemonster.com which uses MB. I set up my account, verified my mailing address and tried to withdraw $600+ u.s but it asked me for my birthday.

Now, I have no problem entering my real birthday and I can't for the life of me figure out why I would have entered in a false birthday but when I type in my birthday it says that it is invalid. My account is now locked and I have to "mail" them a notorized passport or other national government document. I guess that means a drivers license won't even work.

Once I get my money out I will never, ever use them again.

Run awayyyyyyyyy.

Posted by jd on March 7, 2007 at 10:20

I used moneybookers at the request of my computer programmer in Iran. He did a job for me and I was told to pay him using MB. Well I uploaded the money and when it came to his account nobody in Iran would pay him cash for this money. Seems the money transfer people there knew something about MB and that it was impossible to deal with. So he sent it back to me and I thought I could simply withdraw it and send using ztransfer.com But now my account is frozen and they won't release my account until i show them my passport or other ID. They have my credit information already. I was going to link my bank account so they can easily deposit it into my bank. But my account is frozen. I called the telephone numbers but they are disconnected.
I fazed them but the fax was disconnected.
I emailed them but no replies.
I think all money is lost.
They are theives.
Moneybookers is a scam 100%. Incompetent scamming bastards.
If you use them you will be sorry. I wish I found this forum before hand.

Posted by Macedonian on April 30, 2007 at 23:51

I had given my withdrawal request from Moneybookers for my hard money on GAF and they falsely reported me of sending me money to my bank account.
I have Lost great amount in dollars .And they are enjoying my hard earned money.
Please beware freelancers of choosing this fraud site.
Please dont lose your valuable money with this fraud site.Its a 100% scam site.
BEWARE BEWARE OF MONEYBOOKERS.COM

Posted by Rp on May 22, 2007 at 13:07

I am glad I found this site. I was just about to pay for skype credit using Moneybookers. it seemed a bit odd when it said it couldn't confirm my bank account and wanted more info. Bummer as I'm in Vietnam for 3 months working and really need to call UK to sort out some issues. Think I'll find another way.

Posted by Kirsty on August 2, 2007 at 01:21

I have read many posts in many of the forums like this one, where, i can see, people telling about moneybookers scams and frauds. Although, i read posts of some happy users of MB; still cannot imagine whats going on...!!

The bad luck is, I too am a programmer, and unfortunately, i am struck with moneybookers. I cannot verify my account, even from three or more credit cards, or bank transfers. I am not getting support replies even after a week.

In too much frustrated position, I am praying to God to get the money of my hardwork.

Please learn a lesson from me...don't choose Moneybookers at all.

Thanks.

Posted by Abbas Khan on August 4, 2007 at 06:24

Hey i signed up for moneybookers and i dont use it anymore and i want to get rid of it how do i delete the account? Its pissing me off i cant find anywhere to delete it.

Posted by marcus suzuki on August 13, 2007 at 01:20

Beware! moneybookers.com detains people's money and they don't let account holders to withdraw for no reason, we sent many emails and calls but they just don't reply when our money will be released, this is just like stealing, shame on them!

Posted by fatbrain on September 13, 2007 at 07:04

I used Paypal for ages to pay my Skype account with
no problem. When I started to use a portable computer
I found out that the keyboard was not reliable. I did not notice that I sent an error, missing letter, in a code name to paypal and that blocked everything. I went through all the problems of convincing tem who I was,
sending electric accounts, passports the lot. But it worked. I used faxes for some of it. I did not falsify my birth date because at 79 years old I have little memory
Acouple of mnths ago I thought I might need a standby so I opened an account with MB and today when paypal did not pay Skype, I tried eight times
and then switched to moneybookers. within five minutes, Skype was acknowledging my payment.
I accept that if I have credit card in my hand and send the details to someone, they have no means of knowng that it is mine. This applies to all the information WE send. Everthing they ask for canbe seen to be a security check..
If I don`t do these checks some smart arse will be complaining that my sloppy system is insecure and to prove it they personally have conned me
The delays in e-mails and communication I cannot explain. But having sometime ago having had my own business I suspect it is a case of being overloaded by a bunch of people who I know are lying or trying to con me and I don`t really want on my books anyway.
I shall now go to bed and when I get up in the morning I will chck if my PAypal account is back on-line. But why bother I have got my Monybookers to fall back on
Hae a nice day

Posted by STAN RODGERS on October 9, 2007 at 10:57

I too have a great amount of USD frozen in my account, the money is for months of my hard work. It's been 2 weeks now and no answer from them. If I lost these hard earned money I'll make sure none of the people I know or talk to will ever use MB's service.

Anyway I'll come back here and post update. So let wait and see.

Posted by A freelancer on November 6, 2007 at 02:01

Hi again, MB has unlocked my account. I've just withdraw all the money a few mins ago. Everything seems to be ok, except that I had to wait one full month for their responds.

Posted by A freelancer on November 20, 2007 at 01:56

My business just received an email requesting an update of my account information to receive a payment. We have never registered with this company, the amount they list is not the amount of any invoice in our file, and the email does not list the person making the payment. Somebody is scamming!

Posted by isaac on November 20, 2007 at 05:49

isaac, that's probably a spoof email (spam sent by scammers who want to steal money or identities). That's not Moneybookers' fault.

Posted by Patrick on November 20, 2007 at 07:29

Actually, I have used Moneybookers for few years now , so far they are good except that a bite slow in response. Still far better than paypal!

Posted by Maxi on January 22, 2008 at 15:56

Hi,

I'm trying to buy a car from the seller who is in UK and she said moneybookers would send me an email, I got an email saying to get a moneygram and send to an agent as the receiver then email or fax them the confirmation, do you think this is legit?

Posted by Nancy on February 7, 2008 at 00:30

Nancy's comment is familiar. She might be interested in the same car, a 2006 Toyota SUV, that I inquired about. The seller is in the UK and is using Moneybookers to handle the transaction. The whole things seems fishy. If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably isn't. You put up the money but where's the car?

Posted by mj on February 12, 2008 at 05:38

I just heard from the seller saying that the car is warehoused in NYC and that I can't see the car since Moneybookers is handling the transaction. I'm to provide him with the requested info so he/she (Michael/Rachel) could forward it to Moneybrookers to begin processing the sale with me. I'm dropping the whole matter.

Posted by mj on February 12, 2008 at 05:56

Hello,

I too saw and was interested in the 2006 RAV4 from Michael Rachel from Glasgow, Scotland. Email said car is in moneybookers.com's warehouse and ready for delivery. If you read moneybookers.com's site, they said that buyer and seller must have arranged for shipping already. Plus, moneybookers.com is part in the transaction is only as a third-party unbiased escrow handler.

I saw the ad on craigslist.com and when I searched the email, they posted it on three different cities, Los Angeles, San Francisco and NY City. I almost fell for this great bargain. If its too good to be true, then it probably is a scam.

Thanks everyone.

Posted by Koo on February 12, 2008 at 07:26

hey,
i just found a really good deal for a 2003 jeep liberty. it too was on moneybookers. im currently talking with the "owner" of this car. she said she is in Glasgow, Scotland too. is there anyway to find out if this transaction is truly legit???

thanks guys

Posted by adam on February 26, 2008 at 10:07

I saw an ad on Craigslist for a Harley. Responded to the ad was told that the owner was working in London for the next 7 months and that the bike would be delivered to me with a 14 day guarantee after I provided complete name address and transferred the payment through MoneyBookers. I'm not falling for it and just wanted to let everyone know to watch out for these scams.

Posted by AJ on February 27, 2008 at 23:25

I am in contact with a person who is "working" in the UK for next 7 months and is selling a BMW Motorcycle for an insane low price. The ad is in Craig's List also. 14 day policy and that the bike is sitting in a warehouse. If I can see and ride the bike - NO way in hell are they getting any money! All I have done so far is ask a lot of questions and I'm not getting the correct answers. It just seemed too good to be true - there is no way I am signing up with this MB. I always do a TON of research before I do anything else. Too good to be true and your gut is telling you something is not right - Stick with your gut feelings! It's not worth risking any money or your credit!

Posted by NoFoolHere on March 2, 2008 at 13:15

hey all,

i just found a bmw motorcycle listed on craigslist where the "owner" is living in london for the next 7 months, too. super low price, too good to be true, etc. all these stories are sounding the same...red flags.

plus, the guy always ended his email with "i am waiting your email". creepy?

Posted by mbh on March 3, 2008 at 09:01

Hi,
There are 11539 miles on it,engine size 1200cc, the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2950, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Tulsa but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test and inspect it before final decision. If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks.

This is the same guy that Aj posted about. AJ if you are still here what city was the bike in? This one was in tulsa. His name was Jeff Lee.

Posted by Amber on March 5, 2008 at 02:31

I am so happy I found this forum before using moneybookers to receive child support from my daughter's father, who lives overseas. Sounds like they are inefficient rather than evil but the difference isn't much to people who rely on getting their money in good time.

I have been using paypal to receive this money every month, but someone scammed me through ebay and paypal refused to take any action against her, so I will never use paypal again. Now I have to find a reliable, efficient and scam-free site ... I know, easier said than done!

Thanks again for this forum and good luck to all of you with money troubles.

Posted by Claire on March 6, 2008 at 19:53

by the way, there seems to be no option to close a moneybookers account. Or has anyone found it?

Posted by Claire on March 6, 2008 at 19:55

I just saw an ad for a 2005 honda at 1/3 of it's value including pictures through our local paper.

Supposedly, it is a US military person stationed in the UK but heading to Iraq.

He wants the money sent to Moneybookers.

So this is a scam????

Posted by pat on March 11, 2008 at 00:07

I found this Link while researching MB....I hope i'm not repeating this.

Posted by Mr Majic on March 12, 2008 at 06:50

I guess the URL part wasn't meant for the Post...LOL...anyway here it is....

http://www.websense.be/securitylabs/alerts/alert.php?AlertID=742

Posted by Mr Majic on March 12, 2008 at 06:52

Does this look familiar? 2002 Honda VFR on craigslist.

Hi,
The bike is in great condition, it has been properly maintained, never been dropped or abused in any way. It has clear title and the price I'm selling it for is $2990, which is including all the shipping charges.
I live in Raleigh but currently I am with work in UK, London for the next approximately 7 months. Anyway, there shouldn`t be any problem, because I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell the bike without difficulty.
I left the bike at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery. There`s a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test, inspect and ride it before final decision.
So if you want to purchase it, drop me a line and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

Joe Kilot

+447502299101

Posted by Ash on March 14, 2008 at 04:16

Same thing in Pittsburgh...Harley Sportster 1200cc froam a David Bonett who supposedly lives in PGH but is in the UK for the next 7 months...The bike is in a warehouse in Columbus... $3700 bucks to MoneyBookers and 27 days later the bike will be delivered to me magically(right)...He even screwed up and switched the coversation to an ATV...He used the exact same verbage on the PGH craigslist as the guy looking at the Honda VFR in Raleigh....How can this dirtbag be busted???

Posted by Doug Koerbel on March 14, 2008 at 09:15

His email address is david_bonett@live.com

Posted by David Bonett isa Scmuck on March 14, 2008 at 09:19

Saw an add for a BMW on Los Anglees craigs list.
I knew the price was too good to be true (about 50% off), and five minutes on Google and here I am. This crap must work, but do people really just send thousands of dollars off for something so dodgy?
Here is the response:
Hi,
There are 11370 miles on it, the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2970, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in San Francisco but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They are supervising the entire process from payment, shipping with a 14-day inspection period included, returns (if needed) and refunding.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

Posted by Tom on March 17, 2008 at 05:32

Thank goddness for all of you here. MoneyBookers may actually be no worse or better than PayPal or other similar companies, but in searching for the reviews, I note the jackass group trying to scam these cars and bikes. Now they are on AutoTrader and I have similar emails with fill in-the blank cars, locations and names. Here is my email trail:

Hello,
I'm the owner of the 2003 Mini Cooper on which you've recently show interest.The car is in excellent shape and running condition. The price for the car is $3,500 with shipping and handling included in price.I am located in Houston,TX now and the car will be shipped from here. Shipping will be done via DAS and it will take no more then 2-3 days top (depending on your exact location).
The transaction will be made through MoneyBookers for our own protection. You will have 5 days to inspect and test drive it upon arrival with no obligation to buy. If you are interested in the purchase of the car, please get back to me and let know so we can make the deal.

Sincerely,
Gail

**************************

Here you have the VIN# WMWRC33423TC39065 please feel free to run a carfax report to see that everything is OK!
I will try to tell you in few words how the process works through MoneyBookers.
Their primary purpose is to protect buyers and sellers from fraud. MoneyBookers services accept and hold payment from the buyer until the buyer receives and approves the merchandise. Only then do they forward the payment to the seller.
If you are really interested in the purchase please get back to me asap with your full name and shipping address so I can forward them at MoneyBookers in order to open a case and they will guide you through the rest of the process so we can complete this deal successfully and in the best manner !

Sincerely,
Gail
gail_wkzll1965@msn.com

*************************************************
I have a bro in the car business and he checked out the impossible car deal (2003 Mini, 23K miles, $3500) and found it to actually be a 2002, auto auctioned in 2005, registered in VA with an extended warranty, last serviced JAN2008 in Phily and has 43K miles on it. Oh, and "Gail," her add is listed in NYC, just down the street from me and yet the car and "her" are in Houston. "Gail" hasn't answered to the last email I sent about the mileage issue or if the extended warranty is transferable.

This is actually getting fun!

Posted by worldglider on March 17, 2008 at 07:45

I'm so glad I found this site before I really started my transactions with MB. Has anyone seen or tried this there is a 2004 Land Rover Range Rover HSE for $9,000 sale from an owner named William Shuck he's in Glasgow, Scotland he said he couldn't take his vehicle with him because it's US made and they won't let him bring it in. The MB is Robert Butcher from Birmingham, England. He wants me to use MoneyGram send half of the $9k to the agent then they would send the vehicle, I would then have the vehicle for about 3 days to check it out, if I want it then I would send the rest of the money to the agent. One thing that I didn't get was when I asked the seller for more MG information he said that there is no information because they are an internet based company. Oh and the other thing on the sellers email he spelled his last name Shauck and on the email with MB his last name is spelled Shuck. How is this shit not getting stopped.

Posted by katheryn on March 19, 2008 at 01:08

I just sent an email from craigs list regarding a Ducati 748 and a yamaha. here is Yamaha ad:
Year: 2000
Miles: 20871
Engine Size (cc): 998
VIN Number: JYARN05E0YA003558

Up for sale is my 2000 Yamaha R1. This is a beautiful and powerful bike. I had the brakes, tires, chain, sprokets, battery, Wiley Co exhaust installed, and transmission gears replaced last year to hit the ground running hard this year. I placed a custom black with metallic flake paint job on it and flush carbon fiber turn signals, carbon fiber bar ends, and mirrors to compliment the paint. It’s a must see and hear. The bike has 20,800 miles on it, and a clear title. I will throw in the factory Yamaha decals, two helmets, and one racing jacket.

I got a response for the ducati and IT IS EXACTLY WORD WORD as an ad above.

Hi,
The bike is in great condition, it has been properly maintained, never been dropped or abused in any way. It has clear title and the price I'm selling it for is $2990, which is including all the shipping charges.
I live in New York but currently I am with work in UK, London for the next approximately 7 months. Anyway, there shouldn`t be any problem, because I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell the bike without difficulty.
I left the bike at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery. There`s a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test, inspect and ride it before final decision.
So if you want to purchase it, drop me a line and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

Dudley Revet

+447502299101

buyer beware - losers like this should be shot

Posted by C F on March 19, 2008 at 03:43

The same thing is happening in Scottsdale, Arizona. They actually have an advert on autotrader.com, claiming to be a woman working in Glasgow, Scotland. The whole thing seemed fishy, so I'm glad I investigated.

Posted by Johnny Five on March 20, 2008 at 00:55

Here's one from Florida....the Craigslist ad looked legit with pictures and all of a Yamaha Vmax:
Hi,
There are 4170 miles on it, engine size 1200cc, the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2850, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Lakeland I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test and inspect it before final decision.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks.

Sure wish there was a way to nail these SOBs!

Posted by Roger W. on March 24, 2008 at 17:15

I responded to an ad on craigslist regarding a ridiculously low priced 2006 RAV4...does this sound familiar to anyone:

Hello,

As I told you in my first e-mail, I am in Scotland, United Kingdom with my work. Before leaving US I had prearranged the deal with Moneybookers.com so my presence in US isn't necessary. The car is in their warehouse ready for delivery.You have 10 days to test and inspect the car. So if you want to make this deal I need the following details from you:
*Full name and address
*Shipping address
*Phone #
After I will have all this details I will forward them to MoneyBookers and I will proceed the order. MoneyBookers will contact you with all the details that you need to complete this deal and also to see that i am covered by them and that I am legit seller.
Waiting your email with the requested details.

Regards!

George Harrison

Posted by Andy on March 26, 2008 at 06:20

I had used monebookers from time to time many years, beginning from their start. Turnover was very small from tens to hundreds $$ per month.

I had verified bank account, credit card, home address.

One day, year or too ago, I had noticed than my personal account became company account.

I had contacted with their stupid support about this fact and after week had received advice to register new personal account with new name, credit card, bank and home address.

I had wondered to this idiotic advice and was continuing using old.

A month ago I had noticed that my account is locked and very long list of documents they demand to unblock:

"We are glad that you are using a Moneybookers account to process payments. Given the official transaction limit for private individuals we must assume that you are using your account for business purposes.

In order to welcome you as a trusted business partner of Moneybookers you need to get your account verified. Therefore we kindly ask you to provide us with the following documents to process the account activation on our end:

- A coloured copy of your photo ID e.g. Passport, front and back
- Address Verification (Business Bank Account Statement preferred or a recent utility bill)
- An official company document e.g. Certificate of Incorporation, or something that proves that you are operating a legitimate business.
- An explanation of your business activities including URLs where applicable
- Statement showing the share ownership of the company
-Url of your website as well as a short business description
- Sign copy of the merchant agreement previously sent
"

I had repeated a few times during month that I have personal account with all verified personal information, but haven't received any response except this message copy.

All contact options from account are blocked, all e-mail requests are ignored.

Taking into account my previous moneybookers observations I conclude that moneybookes are scam with very ignorant stuff and insolent boss.

Posted by Monebookers_scam on March 27, 2008 at 05:02

thanks for this forum i am too involved in a great deal
a honda goldwing 1500a a gal named lorrie from london is working there and has set up a account throught moneybookers services. i am glad i checked this forum and craglist does have a site to report scams. this sounds like one and i will see where the bike is stored and if this is legit. thanks for your comments on this company. i will see if she can get any other place we can deal with instead of money bookers service. will let you all know how it turns out.

Posted by charles derosier on March 28, 2008 at 05:06

Just got this today:

Thomas Mortley 7:37 am (2 hours ago)

Hi,
There are 13000 miles on it, the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2600, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in oklahoma city but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test and inspect it before final decision. If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks.

SCAM CITY

Posted by eric on March 29, 2008 at 00:12

I work as a financial crimes investigator who is currently working a fraud scheme identical to the vehicle ads listed above. My victim found a Camaro Z-28 listed on Autotrader.com to be paid for through Moneybookers. He said he thought it was too good to be true, but he sent them $4,000 anyway. $4,000, that he will never see again.

PEOPLE, IF IT SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT PROBABLY IS. THIS IS EXACTLY HOW SCAM ARTISTS WORK. THEY PLAY ON THE GREED OF HUMAN NATURE.

MONEYBOOKER IS NOTHING MORE THAN A SCAM SITE SET UP TO STEAL YOUR MONEY. THEY ARE PROBABLY NIGERIAN BASED. AVOID THEM LIKE THE PLAGUE.

(Moneybookers has on occasion actually returned a few peoples' money in a weak effort to make them appear legitimate.)

If you want to buy a vehicle of some type, conduct the transaction in person with a cashier' check. I wish everyone luck who has already sent Moneybookers money.

And I'm sorry, but anyone who sends anyone else copies of your credit card, deserves what ever happens to them. WAKE UP! Legitimate businesses will NEVER ask for a copy of your CC IN ANY FORM. There is absolutely no justifiable reason for doing so. NONE.

I am working with an investigator in Wales in an effort to get them arrested or at the very least, shut down. Stay away from Moneybookers.com.

Posted by Randy on March 29, 2008 at 02:12

Exact same thing! The harley davidson sportster in pittsburgh. The reply i got was identical to the other motorcycle ads above! Can anything be done! Something needs to be done before someone buys before they research. What threw me off in the email was the lack of grammer and misspelled words and the way things were worded. I an so glad i found this forum cause i was just about to sell my cbr 900 to buy this harley. THIS ASS HOLE NEEDS TO BE FOUND AND PROSECUTED!

Posted by Eric on March 30, 2008 at 14:59

I'M GLAD I'M JOINING THE CROWD OF THOSE WHO ARE SMART ENOUGHT TO INVESTIGATE. THE EMAIL I RECEIVED IS BELOW. THE EMAIL CAME WITH SEVERAL PICS AS WELL, INCLUDING PICTURES INSIDE THE CAR. VERY CUNNING, BUT NOT ENOUGH FOR THE AVERAGE GUY TO GET CAUGHT UP.

Hello,

Thank you for your interest about my car. Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Glasgow (Scotland) right now and I have been very busy. The total price of the 2003 Cadillac CTS is $5,600. THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I will not negociate the price. The car is registered and located in United States. I want to keep the car for me, but I cannot register it here, as it is made for the USA market, according to US standards. So, I decided to sell it.
A few words about the car:
-2003 Cadillac CTS
-Mileage: 70,160
-Automatic
-Title is clean.
-Engine: 6 Cylinders
-Interior: Tan
-VIN#: 1G6DM57N730115500
The car is like new, in perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.

If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply.

Thank you again for your interest.

Regards! Nicole.

WHEN I RESPONDED AND SHOWED INTEREST, THIS IS THE EMAIL I RECEIVED.

Hello,

As I told you in my first e-mail, I am in Scotland, United Kingdom with
my work. Before leaving US I had prearranged the deal with
MoneyBookers.com so
my presence in US isn't necessary. The car is in their warehouse in New
York ready for delivery.You have 10 days to test and inspect the car. So
if you want to make this deal I need the following details from you:

full name and address
shipping address
phone #

After I will have all this details I will forward them to Money Bookers
and I will proceed the order. Bookers will contact you with all the
details that you need to complete this deal and also to see that i am
covered by them and that I am legit seller.
Waiting your email with the requested details.

Regards! Nicole

Posted by Creativity Meets Normality on April 1, 2008 at 05:35

hey everybody,
thank god i found this site in time, i was just about to send off $1600 for a vintage Fender Telecaster guitar.
A few things made me suspect that this wasn't all legit, and the language used in the emails leads me to believe that this is the same asshole you have all been dealing with.
The main thing that lead me to believe it was a scam was a spelling mistake in the 'official' moneybookers email, saying "Sincerly, Moneybookers Financial Department". Now no self-respecting company would allow a spelling mistake like that go out in what otherwise looked like a very official email.
Here's his first email to me:

Hi Simon,

This guitar is in Very Near Mint Condition.There are no scratches, dents or dings anywhere on it,everything is 100% original.My selling price is $1400 which includes the shipping taxes and the insurance.The guitar is in Melbourne (at MoneyBookers official location) because i am with work in London,UK for the next approximately 3 months and i am using MoneyBookers services so I can have the guitar sold without difficulty.If you are interested the deal will go strictly according to MoneyBookers rules and policy.To start the official transaction, I need to know your full name and shipping details.As soon as I have this information, I will forward your details to MoneyBookers and they will notify you with all you need to know about our transaction. You'll also receive important guidelines + instructions from MoneyBookers regarding our transaction.You will have 14 days return policy, so you will have the chance to inspect the guitar and inform them if you keep it or not. If you decide to keep it, they will release me the funds, if not, you will have a complete refund within 3 days. So I am waiting your email.

Kind regards.
Terry Cowburn

And here is his last one:

Hi Simon,

I am selling the guitar because i have some personal problems and i need the money asap. I am not selling cars or anything else so please let me know if you are interested and if you wish to end the transaction. I will wait for your reply.

Best regards.
Terry Cowburn

I feel very lucky to have avoided this at the last moment, i am considering reporting this to the fraud departments with the police, i would really like to nail this guy before it can happen to anyone else!!

Posted by Simon on April 1, 2008 at 09:40

I did not find this site in time and was scammed for $4200.00 for a 2001 Bobcat. The sellers name was Ronald Povaleri, who supposedly moved to Oslo, Norway from Quebec, Canada. He sent me the "Moneybookers" invoice and had me send the money through MoneyGram. The money was sent to Andrew Roberts who was supposedly a Moneybookers Account Manager. The Firing Squad is too good for these crooks.

Posted by Harold on April 2, 2008 at 02:41

well i did recieved emails. from lorrie conner about the goldwing 1500a. a guy by the name of john robbins in 37 new hampton st, london w1s2rl is who iam suppose to send the moneyorder to. that is from the moneybookers service departments. lorrie said her phone is out and it would be not worth calling. now here is the fun part, moneybooker service said that he is the direct person to send and they have all the paper work and how its going to be delivered. so i could not go with moneybookers option payment plan. so i think i will let lorrie know if she cant get me someone here in the united states to talk to me then the deal is dead. what do u guys think, i read the investigators blog above and what have u come up with yet and can u check this guys name out and find if he is legit?

Posted by charles derosier on April 2, 2008 at 03:14

Same ad came out in the Western Kentucky Craigslist this week.......

This is a 2003 Harley Davidson Sportster Hugger 100 Anniversary Edition. It has 1465 miles on it. The bike has been kept in a heated and cooled garage and it is in awesome shape. It doesn't have any scratches and it has never been laid down. It comes with a 100th Anniversary removeable windshield, removeable saddlebags, deluxe cover and two helmets.

Here is my response to the email.....

Hi,
There are 1465 miles on it, the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2350, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Western KY but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test and inspect it before final decision.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

The FBI and UK FBI needs to investigate these. Hopefully, no-one is that stupid to fall for these scams!

Posted by Rick on April 5, 2008 at 05:19

I too reponded to a ridiculas low $$ add for a 2006 Rav4 from this **shole.
I am sure glad I did a search on Moneybookers.
This is so a scam... The first email they sent me was from Mark Russell and the next email that I listed here was from a George Wallace. They could'nt even remember to use the same name!!!

STAY AWAY>>>>>>>

Posted by David on April 5, 2008 at 10:00

UNBELIEVABLE!! I almost fell for it myself.

Same basic concept as all the others except it was a 1996 BMW motorcycle. This is in the Detroit area. The bike is stored in Chicago at the "warehouse". I've got you beat on the story though.

His name is Stephen Ray and he works for Feed the Children and is in the UK. I even sent him an email commending him on his outstanding cause. ARGHH. Thank God I read this blog hours before I almost sent them $2750. I am going to give this to the local TV stations and see if they'll run with this to get the word out. Good luck to all..

Posted by Mike on April 5, 2008 at 12:17

I'm seeing the same moneybookers BS that everyone else is talking about.
From: Raymond Anderson [mailto:raymond.anderson68@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:59 PM
To:
Subject: --2004 Land Rover Range Rover HSE--

Hello,

As I told you in my first e-mail, I am in Scotland, United Kingdom with my work. Before leaving US I had prearranged the deal with www.MoneyBookers.com so my presence in US isn't necessary. The car is in their warehouse in New York,NY ready for delivery to buyer home address.You have 10 days to test and inspect the car. So if you want to make this deal I need the following details from you:

*Full name and address
*Shipping address and zip code
*Phone #

After I will have all this details I will forward them to MoneyBookers and I will proceed the order. MoneyBookers will contact you with all the details that you need to complete this deal and also to see that i am covered by them and that I am legit seller.

Waiting your email with the requested details.

Regards!

more:
The car is at the company shipping in New York, NY ready for delivery to buyer home address, so you cannot see.I hope you understand i have a agree with the shipping company and i can't change this terms.I wait your complet information if you still have interes abouth my Land Rover.

Thank you.

Raymond

All very sketchy. Does anyone know how we can puck these A-holes?

Posted by Pete on April 8, 2008 at 05:17

Why does their customer service suck so much? I get no response to emails or phone messages and $2000.00 is on hold in my account. I AM SO FURIOUS!!!!!!!!

Posted by KB on April 13, 2008 at 02:22

You all are a godsend. I too found myself interested in a 2005 BMW Z4 for 8,900. I knew better than to entertain the offer, but figured I would ask anyway. I found it a bit odd when "Jack Russell" never answered any of my direct questions. I went as far as receiving the invoice for Moneybookers, but never actually went through with sending any money. When you smell smoke, there is fire. I replied to "Jack" with the nastiest email I could write, telling him that I hope he dies an awful, evil, and agonizing death. That one was for all of you.

I hope they can't do too much with an address and phone number, as you can obtain this information from any phone book!

Posted by Anonymous on April 15, 2008 at 06:10

Have been "communicating" with Mary Cordel in Scotland selling a 2005 RAV4 for $7800.00. Listing was posted via web in the car classifieds of the Houston Chronicle (Houston, TX).
Thank you for this site! Same emails as those posted. Has saved me a lot of headache. Buyer Beware!

Posted by Not Quite Stupid on April 16, 2008 at 08:01

same scam off of las vegas craiglist, george wallace.
but same scam

Hello,

Thank you for your interest about my car. Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Glasgow (Scotland) right now and I have been very busy. The total price of the 2004 Cadillac Escalade EXT is $9,000.00USD . THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I'll not negociate the price. The car is registered and located in United States. I want to keep the car for me, but I cannot register it here, as it is made for the USA market, according to US standards. So, I decided to sell it.
A few words about the car:
-2004 Cadillac Escalade EXT
-Mileage: 29648
-Automatic
-Title is clean.
-ALL WHEEL DRIVE
-Engine: 8 cylinder
-Exterior: Blue
-Interior: Tan
-VIN#3GYEK62N84G295047
-Standard Equipment :
Leather, Power Door Locks, Cruise Control, Power Steering, CD, AM/FM Radio, Cassette, Power Windows, Air Conditioning, 4DR AWD, All Wheel Drive, POWER SEATS, Dual Air Bags, 6.0 Liter 345 HP.
-Optional Equipment :
CD Changer, POWER SUNROOF, 24” Chrome wheels with security lock lug .
The car is like new, in perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.
If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply.For more pictures click to the link:

http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll46/CadillacEscalade_album/?albumview=grid

Posted by britt on April 19, 2008 at 06:00

Like all of you before me. Thank goodness I found this site. Found an unbelievable deal on a 2006 Honda Civic on autotrader.com for $6700. Here's the e-mails I received:
Hello,

Thank you for your interest about my car. Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Glasgow (Scotland) right now and I have been very busy. The total price of the 2006 Honda Civic LX Sedan is $6,700. THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I will not negociate the price. The car is registered and located in United States. I want to keep the car for me, but I cannot register it here, as it is made for the USA market, according to US standards. So, I decided to sell it.
A few words about the car:
-2006 Honda Civic LX Sedan
-Mileage: 23,559
-Automatic
-Title is clean.
-Engine: 1.8L L4 MPI SOHC 16V
-Exterior: Silver
-Interior: Gray
-VIN#: 1HGFA16536L066549
The car is like new, in perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.

If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply.
Thank you again for your interest.

Regards! Samantha

Hello,

As I told you in my first e-mail, I am in Scotland, United Kingdom with my work. Before leaving US I had prearranged the deal with MoneyBookers.com so my presence in US isn't necessary. The car is in their warehouse in New York ready for delivery.You have 10 days to test and inspect the car. So if you want to make this deal I need the following details from you:

full name and address
shipping address
phone #

Regards! Sam

I reported this autotrader. I thought it was strange to get e-mail responses at 8pm Eastern Time, when the seller was 6 hours ahead in Glasgow. Plus this person's grammar made me think twice.

Posted by john on April 23, 2008 at 11:33

This is the first e-mail response I received when inquiring about a 2002 GSXR Motorcycle that was listed on Craigslist. Compare this response with the response posted by Rick on April 5, 2008, which is 9 posts above this one:

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On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 8:01 AM, David Groberg wrote:

Hi,
There are 11370 miles on it, the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2900, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Syracuse but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They are supervising the entire process from payment, shipping with a 14-day inspection period included, returns (if needed) and refunding.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks
------------------------------------------------------------

Isn't it interesting that 2 different people are selling 2 different items but have identical e-mail responses? WATCH OUT FOR THESE SCAM ARTISTS!

Posted by Brian on April 24, 2008 at 11:43

Refer to article written in Baltimore Sun regarding Moneybookers.com:

"Car bargains used in wired-payment fraud"

March 23, 2008

If someone overseas is offering to sell you a popular car for less than its Kelley Blue Book value, don't get rolled over, the Better Business Bureau of Greater Maryland warned.

Advertising such cars through online classifieds and trade magazines, scam artists pose as sellers from outside the country. To give the buyer a false sense of security, the seller claims the transaction will be completed through Moneybookers.com, which is a United Kingdom-based service that is similar to PayPal.com.

Follow-up e-mail messages from the seller are drafted to appear to be from Moneybookers. Buyers are then asked to send a fully insured and refundable 30 percent down payment on the car and they're instructed to wire the money to the seller in London, contrary to Moneybookers' policies.

The BBB warned that this scam has developed into a multilevel strategy in which consumers are sent e-mail modeled after the Moneybookers format. Links to online chats with scammers posing as Moneybookers reps are included in the e-mail to lure unsuspecting buyers.

The scam has been so successful that documented reports to the BBB have shown that some eager buyers lost thousands - and then sent an additional 30 percent to the scam artists.

When it comes to sending money via wire services, take Western Union's advice: The Western Union Money Transfer Service is not intended to send money to someone you don't know.

- Dan Thanh Dang

BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!

Posted by Emily on April 24, 2008 at 13:02

My sad experience with moneybookers fraudsters see here:

http://rosinstrument.com/pb/m/12040.htm

the history have relatively happy end after and because of and only due to trustE.org complaint.

I had avoided ANY PRIVATE DOCUMENTS COPIES sending to this criminals. I have received all my money frozen, account fast and successfully closed after the complaint.

Posted by Happy End on April 25, 2008 at 01:06

***Avoid an email from private sellers like Eric Shin!***

My story is a 2006 Lexus IS 350 for 15K USD

I gave preferences of how this sell will work. I am Still waiting to here back from the "Seller/Scammer". Thank God I have not agreed to purchase this vapor-mobile.

My recommendation is below:

DO NOT use www.moneybookers.com for Craigslist or AutoTrader auctions or sales!

SCAM! SCAM!
SCAM! SCAM!
SCAM! SCAM!
SCAM! SCAM!
SCAM! SCAM!
SCAM! SCAM!

Posted by N D on April 25, 2008 at 05:55

This my first e-mail back from the Auto Trader deal to good to be true.

Hello,

Thank you for your interest about my car. Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Glasgow (Scotland) right now and I have been very busy. The total price of the 2004 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe is $8,500. THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I will not negociate the price. The car is registered and located in United States. I want to keep the car for me, but I cannot register it here, as it is made for the USA market, according to US standards. So, I decided to sell it.
A few words about the car:
-2004 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe
-Mileage: 34,622
-Automatic
-Title is clean.
-Engine: 8 CYLINDERS 5.7 Liters
-Exterior: Si lver
-Interior: Black
-VIN#: 1G1YY22G945133746
The car is like new, in perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.

If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply.
Thank you again for your interest.

Regards! Samantha

This is the second reply, exactly the same sent to John.

Hello,

As I told you in my first e-mail, I am in Scotland, United Kingdom with my work. Before leaving US I had prearranged the deal with MoneyBookers.com so my presence in US isn't necessary. The car is in their warehouse in New York ready for delivery.You have 10 days to test and inspect the car. So if you want to make this deal I need the following details from you:

full name and address
shipping address
phone #

Regards! Sam

Glad to find out this is a scam, this car is worth 26k and was to good to be true. Hope no one else falls for this rip off.

Posted by ET on May 1, 2008 at 10:01

OMG!!! This is the exact email response I received but for a different car! Total scam!!! Buyer beware!

Hello,

-2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE 4X4

-Mileage:20,000

-Automatic

-Title is clean.

-Engine:4.4L V8 MPI DOHC 32V

-Exterior:Buckingham Blue

-Interior:Navy

-Vin#SALMF15406A204715

The car is like new, in perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.

If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply.

Thank you again for your interest.
__________________________________________

second reply:

Hello,

*Full name and address
*Shipping address and zip code
*Phone #

Waiting your email with the requested details.

Regards!

Posted by Felicia on May 7, 2008 at 02:23

Here's my deal off of craigslist

[quote]Karen Troah to me

show details 9:31 PM (21 hours ago)

Reply

Hello there,
Sorry for my delayed response, but I'm a soldier detached in Scotland for a long time and I have been very busy for the last couple of days. Anyway, thank you for your interest in buying my Honda. The car is located in US right now and has US papers. Why is the price so low? I had to move out of USA because of my job and I am going through a divorce. So all that I want to do now is sell the car at this price, because I need to sell it fast. The title is clean and you will have absolutely no problems to register the car in the States.

I will tell you a few words about my car...
VIN#: 1HGCG31782A011638. Miles: 33,075
It is in immaculate condition, rust free, no scratch, no need for additional repairs, and hasn't been involved in any accident. The motor runs very well. The interior looks great. This car needs nothing! The title is clear, it is not a salvage one. I want this transaction to go smoothly enough as I am caught in the middle of some very important events and have little time at my disposal. I already have tones of emails so I hope you understand that I need to sort them out. The car is ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.
The price is $3,700 USD! THIS IS MY LAST PRICE! I will not negotiate the price!
Also, I take in consideration only those buyers who are really interested in buying the car, to be sure that I'm not waisting my time with endless discussions. This way, I'll be assured of the serious intentions.
So if you are interested please email me!

Please click here for more photos:
http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/nn29/2002HondaAccordEX/

Kind Regards,
Karen Troah[/quote]
############################################

[quote]Karen Troah to me

show details 3:34 PM (3 hours ago)

Reply

Hello,
Look how we will do this:
Before leaving i had prearranged shipping with MoneyBookers so my presence in US isn't necessary.The car is in a MoneyBookers warehouse in US, ready for delivery.I will offer a 5 day period to test drive the car from the moment you receive it from the shipping company.
So if you want to make this deal i will need the following details from you:

full name and address
shipping address
phone #
After I will have all this details I will forward them to MoneyBookers and I will proceed the order.
MoneyBookers will contact you with all the details that you need to complete this deal and also to see that i am covered by them and if I am legit seller.
Waiting your email with the requested details.

Tank You![/quote]

Thank goodness for Google leading me to here. Be careful guys

Posted by darkplayer on May 9, 2008 at 08:02

Offer through MoneyBookers, Does this sound familiar???

Below is the e-mail I received after inquiring about a Bike for sale on Craigs List.

fromdouglas barber
to Ed

dateThu, May 8, 2008 at 1:51 PM
subjectRE: Emailing: 2006 SUZUKI BURGMAN 650 SCOOTER [U]
mailed-byhotmail.com

hide details 1:51 PM (9 hours ago) Reply

Hi,
The bike is in great condition, it has been properly maintained, never been dropped or abused in any way. It has clear title and the price I'm selling it for is $2900, which is including all the shipping charges.
I live in Miami but currently I am with work in UK, London for the next approximately 7 months. Anyway, there shouldn`t be any problem, because I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell the bike without difficulty.
I left the bike at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery. There`s a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test, inspect and ride it before final decision.
So if you want to purchase it, drop me a line and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

This smells like a scam to me right from the get go.

BEWARE! BEWARE! BEWARE!

Common sense says that if it sounds to good to be true, It probably is...

Posted by Ed on May 9, 2008 at 12:09

My reply to Douglas:

Hi Douglas... or is that your real name for sure? I found about half a dozen adds similar to yours with the same text and everything pretending to use Money Bookers... See, not every one is as stupid as you think.... To bad some naive people fall four your type of SCAM only to realize they lost the money. By the way if you pretend to be an american, first learn english as we speak here and learn to spell correctly.

Hope you get caught soon. I wish you many years in jail....

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:51 PM, douglas barber wrote:

Posted by Ed on May 9, 2008 at 12:22

An email with all headers (especially those that start with "Received") can be used to track the sender, often down to their exact location.
Provide them to authorities.

Posted by Patrick on May 9, 2008 at 12:33

Have used MB for 2 years with no problems - but noticed 2 send money transactions on my account totalling $200 which I did not make. Reported it to MB and now my account is frozen with just $2 in it.

Posted by Stuart on May 10, 2008 at 16:59

Same Scam going on right now on Craig's List out of Vancouver, BC.... this time with an ATV. Emailed back saying we'd pick it up at the warehouse and pay cash.... but no answer to that email. No wonder!!! Glad we checked this out but not nieve enought to fall for that "send your money first" deal.

Larry

Posted by Larry on May 14, 2008 at 08:33

Found a bike on craigslist that sounded too good to be true. When I contacted the seller this is what he had to say......

Hi,
There are 12000 miles on it, the bike is in great condition, has been properly
maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the
price I`m selling it for is $2980, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Atlanta but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test and inspect it before final decision.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works
and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks.

Thanks to all of your comments I caught on to his scam. Is there any way to report this person?

Posted by Josh on May 15, 2008 at 05:58

Same thing again just a different car on AutoTrader.com.
Smart enough not to send money!
Sorry for those who did.

Anyway to prosecute these people?

Posted by Dawn on May 17, 2008 at 04:41

MB is a thief company. Anyone said this is a company with reputation, I can say this company has a very poor, low level management.
I am running a online shop, and requested my buyer to deposit all money to my MB account, now it has been accumulated to R30,000. But my account was locked from withdrew for more than 50 days.
I just moved house, from one place to another, they requested my utility bill, passport copy to validate my data and locked my account. I sent them immediately with the tracking no. they given, but they never replied you, and wait until I was impatient, and asked them again, hey requested me to queue again, finally I called them, they needed my driving licence again, why don't say earlier, then wait again, so far no reply, I don't know how long to wait again..God,. One reply needed a few week. is this a one-man company.
I warm new comer never joint this company.

Posted by ernest on May 20, 2008 at 00:42

I too almost got hit with the MB scam to buy the 2006 Range Rover. It infuriates me that I was almost one of the stupid ones who fell for this. Good thing I asked all of the right questions... See the e-mail traffic between myself and "Rafael" below. I'm going to try abd report these people to the FBI's internet crime division...

I'm going to figure out a way to verify ownership of this vehicle and get some more information regarding the Money Booker company and web site... Like I said, I have some concerns about wiring that amount of money to anyone without out better information. I am concerned with the fact that I can't find your listing on Craig's list anymore. I am aware that if Craig's list is made aware of a listing that's not on the up-and-up the listing is removed. It also bothers me that even though I am willing to fly to New York to view the vehicle and pay for it in full while I'm there if I like it, but those arrangements can't be made. It saves everyone involved money and you get your money faster if it's taken care of.

I'll finish my research and get back to you. If this is a legitimate sale, I hope the car is still available when set my concerns at ease. However, I hope you can understand my concerns and fears (especially when I am willing to spend more money on my end and save you money on your end).

... I'll get back to you.

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From: Rafael Collis [mailto:rafael.collis56@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 4:33 PM
To: Toston, Darius
Subject: --2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE--ASAP

Hi again,

I just told you my Land Rover is ready for delivery to your home address,so you cannot see.I have a agree with the shipping company and with my agent so i can't change this terms.This is all I can say regarding this matter and you should know that i trust in this kind of transaction,hope you feel as well.If you want to send the deposit follow the instructions from MoneyBookers, make the deposit using Western Union service, after that i'll start the shipping process,in 48-72 hours the car will arrive at your address you will have 10 days to inspect and test drive, time when you will decide if you want to keep it or not.The remaning balance you will pay in 30 days.

P.S. Let me know when you send the deposit.

Thank you.

Rafael

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Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:25:42 -0700
From: Darius.Toston@bankofamerica.com
Subject: FW: --2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE--ASAP
To: rafael.collis56@hotmail.com

Can I fly to NY to the the shipping yard to see the vehicle and verify ownership? If yes, I will fly there next weekend. I can have everything ready to send the funds so they can go out as soon as I get back.
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From: Rafael Collis [mailto:rafael.collis56@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 4:21 PM
To: Toston, Darius
Subject: --2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE--ASAP

Hi again,

The car is at the company shipping in New York, NY ready for delivery to your home address.You have nothing to worry about concerning this transaction.The car with all the documents is at the shipping company waiting to be shipped, so i can't send you a copy of the title. But don't worry, once with the car you will also receive all the documents that you need for register it on your name.

P.S. Now tell me if you continue the deal and if you send the deposit to agent and when!!!I whant to start the shipping process asap.

Thank you.

Rafael

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Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:14:43 -0700
From: Darius.Toston@bankofamerica.com
Subject: FW: --2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE--ASAP
To: rafael.collis56@hotmail.com

I got the instructions. However, I still have my worries and would like to go to New York to see the car and the title before handing over ANY money. There's not phone number on these instructions for me to call someone to arrange to for a face-to-face visit. Can you get me that info?

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From: Rafael Collis [mailto:rafael.collis56@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 4:01 PM
To: Toston, Darius
Subject: RE: --2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE--ASAP

Hello again,

When you receive MoneyBookers instructions about down payment read it and contact me.

Thank you

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Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:53:50 -0700
From: Darius.Toston@bankofamerica.com
Subject: FW: --2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE--
To: rafael.collis56@hotmail.com

I love it!!!... I look forward to making this deal work

Here's the information you requested (I'm going to the credit union on my lunch to make sue I have the funds available as soon as the people at Money Booker's calls me):...

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From: Rafael Collis [mailto:rafael.collis56@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:36 AM
To: Toston, Darius
Subject: --2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE--

Hello,

*Full name and address
*Shipping address and zip code
*Phone #

Waiting your email with the requested details.

Regards!

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Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:31:12 -0700
From: Darius.Toston@bankofamerica.com
Subject: FW: 2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE
To: rafael.collis56@hotmail.com
CC: Arminda.Nunez@bankofamerica.com

Rafael,

I already got this info from my co-worker. However, I cannot find pictures of the vehicle on Craig's List anymore and I want to see the car. I am VERY interested and motivated to move forward, but need more details from you as to how we are going to conduct this transaction.

My contact information is below. If you could give me a call we can work things out. I'm located in Las Vegas, so I am pacific standard US time... Like I said, this seems to be a great deal and I want to buy this car from you before you sell it to someone else, so I am motivated.

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From: Rafael Collis [mailto:rafael.collis56@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 5:45 AM
To: Toston, Darius
Subject: 2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE

Hello,

Thank you for your interest about my car. Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Glasgow (Scotland) right now and I have been very busy. The total price of the 2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE 4X4 is $9,600.00USD shipping included .THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I'll not negociate the price. The car is registered and located in United States. I want to keep the car for me, but I cannot register it here, as it is made for the USA market, according to US standards. So, I decided to sell it.Luxury and full-sized utility all in one beautiful package this is 2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE 4X4.A few words about the car:
-2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE 4X4
-Mileage:20,000
-Automatic
-Title is clean.
-Engine:4.4L V8 MPI DOHC 32V
-Exterior:Buckingham Blue
-Interior:Navy
-Vin#SALMF15406A204715
The car is like new, in perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.I'm selling it so cheap because i have recently divorced with my wife and she was the only one driving it.

If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply.

Thank you again for your interest.

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Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 20:18:14 -0700
From: Darius.Toston@bankofamerica.com
Subject: 2006 Range Rover
To: rafael.collis56@hotmail.com
CC: Arminda.Nunez@bankofamerica.com

Rafael,

Over the weekend a co-worker of mine, Arminda Nunez, e-mailed you regarding the vehicle that you have for sale. She has since decided not to purchase your vehicle, but I am VERY interested. I had my car stolen about two weeks ago and am currently looking for a new one. This seems like a fantastic deal. I ran a 'Car Facts' report as well and everything turned out great. I would love to talk to you and negotiate some things (mainly how I could see the car since it is currently registered in New York).

Getting the funds to buy this car is no problem and I am willing to work with you on how to get you the funds.

At your earliest convenience will you PLEASE call or e-mail me back as I want to get this car before it's gone.

THanks!

Posted by Darius Toston on May 29, 2008 at 11:05

!!!!!!!!!! WARNING !!!!!!!!!!

DO NOT fall for Rafael Collis and his little scam! I also found this listing for this "too good to be true" Range Rover deal! He is a liar and all he wants to do is steal your money! Don't fall for his stupid tricks and lose your hard earned money! Like the postings above I received the exact same email responses from "Rafael". THE EXACT SAME!! Don't fall for this trick!! I too ran a CarFax report...BUT....THIS IS A SCAM!!!!

Posted by Courtney Luper on May 29, 2008 at 22:59

So, here is the last one:

Hello,

Posted by Alex on May 30, 2008 at 07:24

!!!!!! WARNING!!!!!!!!

HERE IS ANOTHER ONE
Hello,

As I told you in my first e-mail, I am in Scotland, United Kingdom with my work. Before leaving US I had prearranged the deal with MoneyBookers.com so my presence in US isn't necessary. The car is in their warehouse ready for delivery.You have 10 days to test and inspect the car. So if you want to make this deal I need the following details from you:
*Full name and address
*Shipping address
*Phone #
After I will have all this details I will forward them to MoneyBookers and I will proceed the order. MoneyBookers will contact you with all the details that you need to complete this deal and also to see that i am covered by them and that I am legit seller.
Waiting your email with the requested details.

Regards!

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Subject: RE: 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:03:18 -0700
From: IRMGUZ@SAFECO.com
To: paul_harvey56@hotmail.com

hello

sorry for the delay responding
im actuallly really interested in purchasing this vehicle, I live in Colorado and would need to know where the vehicle is located so that i can meet with to come and get it.

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From: Paul Harvey [mailto:paul_harvey56@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wed 5/28/2008 5:24 AM
To: GUZMAN, IRMA L
Subject: 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche

Hello,

Thank you for your interest about my car. Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Glasgow (Scotland) right now and I have been very busy. The total price of the 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche is $8,600.00USD . THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I'll not negociate the price. The car is registered and located in United States. I want to keep the car for me, but I cannot register it here, as it is made for the USA market, according to US standards. So, I decided to sell it.
A few words about the car:
-2005 Chevrolet Avalanche
-Mileage: 21438
-Automatic
-Title is clean.
-Engine: 8 Cylinder
-Exterior: Blue
-Interior: Tan
-VIN#3GNEC12Z35G146174
The car is like new, in perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.
If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply.

Thank you again for your interest.

> Subject: Owner 62591809: AutoTrader.com: Vehicle Lead 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche
>
> ***VEHICLE LEAD***
>
> The following lead was generated from AutoTrader.com's web site at http://www.autotrader.com. The listing is provided by AutoTrader magazine.
> To view the vehicle, click the link below:
> http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=244422543
>
>
> VEHICLE INFORMATION
> Make: Chevrolet
> Model: Avalanche
> Year: 2005
> Price: 8600
> Mileage: 21438
> Body Style: Truck
> Color: Blue
> Cylinders: 8 Cylinder
> Transmission: Automatic
> Doors: Four Door
> Stereo: Unavailable
> Description: 2005 CHEVROLET AVALANCHE, auto, ps, pb, ac, p/seats, pdl, p/mirrors, p/windows, cc, tilt, stereo, am/fm, air bags, abs, lthr, tint, alarm, $8600, 870-667-4265
>

Posted by irma guzman on May 31, 2008 at 08:58

Again, another vehicle for sale on craig's list. A yamaha v-star 2007 for $3100(U.S.) Item came up listed in Madison, WI. The return email from him was the same as all these others telling me clear title perfect condition and that the bike was in a warehouse in Chicago and that moneybookers would handle everything after I email him back that I want the bike. Does not make sense when I could drive 2 hours and pick it up with the cash....Definitely a SCAM!!!!!!!!!!! Glad this forum was here...this was the first thing I went looking for once I read the e-mail. DON'T WASTEYOUR MONEY!
Sheryl

Posted by sheryl mcclanahan on June 4, 2008 at 09:10

same song and dance as all the other scam stories on this site... I just wanted to post this as for anyone else researching the same make/model advert

mine was for a 2001 VW Jetta TDI for $3100 posted on craigslist in Boston and NYC by someone claiming to be named Oliver

olivyat4@aol.com

Hello ,

I apologize for the delay, I'm in the military and now I am in United Kingdom and that's why I couldn't reply in time. Anyway, thank you for your interest in buying the car. Why is the price so low? I am selling the car because I am here in UK with my work, and my regiment will be deployed in three weeks in Iraq and I think I'll stay there for a while that's why I'm selling it so cheap. I intend to buy a new car when I'll get back home. So all that I want to do now is to sell the car at this price,because I need to sell it fast. Now I will tell you a few words about the car. 2001 Volkswagen Jetta TDI, it is in perfect condition, with no need for additional repairs, no scratches, dings, special marks whatsoever.The interior looks great (NO SMOKING). It has 145,000 miles and the VIN # is: 3vwsp29m91m056911 . It has a clear title ready to be signed and notarized on your name. I have the pictures hosted on the internet and you can see them at : http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm289/compactjetta/

The price is $3,100 THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I will not negotiate the price. I will take in consideration only those buyers who are really interested in buying the car, to be sure that I don't waste my time with endless discussions.This way, I shall be assured of the serious intentions. So if you are interested please email me back for next step.

Warm regards

Oliver,
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U.S. Navy. Oliver Yates - HQMC. - Headquarters Marine Corps U.S. Navy.
http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/

_______________________________________
Hi again and sorry for the delay,

Before leaving I had prearranged shipping and the payment with MoneyBookers Company (check www.moneybookers.com ) so my presence in U.S isn't necessary(The car is in Virginia at a Navy base ready for delivery).The the price of car $3,100.00 includes all the shipping costs and insurance, so you won't have to pay any extra charges. Since I work with the Navy the delivery process is not an issue, I'll have the vehicle shipped at your home address in maximum 5 days.
Here is what I suggest: we will use MoneyBookers which acts like an escrow service(check Escrow Service http://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=escrow ) , you make an deposit in an MoneyBookers managed trust fund ( they hold the money until you receive the car ), I send the car over( the car will be delivered with the title, owner's manual, 2 sets of keys, service records, and of course the bill of sale authorised and signed by me),I will offer a 5 day period from the day you receive the vehicle, you can inspect it, take it to a mechanic to check it out, drive it and then if you decided to keep it, you'll confirm to MoneyBookers the sale and they will send the payment to me. If, by any reason, you will not be satisfied with it ( even though I can assure you that it is exactly as described), you can return it at my expense for a full refund of your money, no questions asked.I think this is more than fair for the both of us.

NOTE: The payment is refundable, and is just a security measure, to make sure that you are serious, and that I am not going to ship the car, and loose time and money.

If you are interested to go ahead with the deal, please reply with your full name, phone # and shipping address so I can ask MoneyBookers to open a case! After, they will contact you explaining all the details regarding the payment.
I'm looking forward to hear from you.

God bless !

Oliver,

SCAMMERS ROLL OVER, PISS BLOOD, AND DIE!!!

Posted by redface on June 5, 2008 at 12:33

Thank you all so much for your info on Rafael Collis! I love the internet for its ups and downs!!

Posted by Adam on June 7, 2008 at 08:22

We had a very similar scam regarding a trailer. We were really serious about buying it but because I had never heard of moneybookers before, I did lots of research and found this blog. All the information I could see about moneybookers looked legit and even the e-mails sent to me looked legit. The e-mail address was moneybookers@netbusiness.com. It looked great and secure except I kept questioning the shipping and read some infor here. Thanks so much for all of you who reported these things. If I had not read them we would be out hard earned money that we can't afford.
Some info:
The guy was selling a trailer on Craigs list and he lived in the UK but the trailer was in Winnepeg.
Same story as everyone else regarding shipping, security etc.

Posted by Joyce on June 8, 2008 at 02:24

I signed up with moneybookers A WEEK AGO, My money is already reflceting I even ordered a prepaid debit card with a merchant that accepts moneybookers. My card is already approved meaning moneybookers paid the amount of application. i think they are professional especially if you have local currency facilities. i am in South Africa

Posted by michael on June 9, 2008 at 20:40

Unfortunately I didn't find this blog until after I sent the money. I got screwed.

I was the same craigslist scam for a motorcycle that y'all have been talking about. I hope others are more aware than I was.

Posted by tony on June 12, 2008 at 00:39

Same Story,Same exact wording about a 2006 Porsche Cayman S on auto traders! Seller now living in Scotland for the next 7 months,vehicle stored in NY.arrangements made with MB for the sale. I'm so lucky to have found this web site and saved my money!

Posted by colleen Mori on June 12, 2008 at 13:41

same story that redface posted above ...this time from a marlin conner for a 2004 chevy silverado for 4700! knew this was way too good to be true..thank God i researched moneybookers and found this...DON'T FALL FOR THIS SCAM!!

Hello ,

I apologize for the delay, I'm in the military and now I am in United Kingdom and that's why I couldn't reply in time. Anyway, thank you for your interest in buying the car. Why is the price so low? I am selling the car because I am here in UK with my work, and my regiment will be deployed in three weeks in Iraq and I think I'll stay there for a while that's why I'm selling it so cheap. I intend to buy a new car when I'll get back home. So all that I want to do now is to sell the car at this price,because I need to sell it fast. Now I will tell you a few words about the car. 2004 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Z71, it is in perfect condition, with no need for additional repairs, no scratches, dings, special marks whatsoever.The interior looks great (NO SMOKING). It has 18,849 miles and the VIN # is: 1GCEK19T74E126738 . It has a clear title ready to be signed and notarized on your name. I have the pictures hosted on the Internet and you can see them at :

http://picasaweb.google.com/sgt.marlin/2004ChevroletSilverado1500Z71

The price is $4,700 THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I will not negotiate the price. I will take in consideration only those buyers who are really interested in buying the car, to be sure that I don't waste my time with endless discussions.This way, I shall be assured of the serious intentions. So if you are interested please email me back for next step.

Warm regards,

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U.S. Navy. Marlin Conner - HQMC. - Headquarters Marine Corps U.S. Navy.
http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/
God Bless America

Hi,

This is Brad's wife and he is at work so asked me to reply to you. He would like to know that since we only live 30 min from Wheeling ..if we could look at the truck in person and if so when and where is the address and who we would be dealing with. He is very interested in the truck and really wants to see it:)

thank you,

Erica

Hi again,

Before leaving I had prearranged shipping and the payment with MoneyBookers Company (check www.moneybookers.com ) so my presence in U.S isn't necessary(The car is in Virginia at a Navy base ready for delivery).The the price of car $4,700.00 includes all the shipping costs and insurance, so you won't have to pay any extra charges. Since I work with the Navy the delivery process is not an issue, I'll have the vehicle shipped at your home address in maximum 5 days.
Here is what I suggest: we will use MoneyBookers which acts like an escrow service(check Escrow Service http://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=escrow ) , you make an deposit in an MoneyBookers managed trust fund ( they hold the money until you receive the car ), I send the car over( the car will be delivered with the title, owner's manual, 2 sets of keys, service records, and of course the bill of sale authorised and signed by me),I will offer a 5 day period from the day you receive the vehicle, you can inspect it, take it to a mechanic to check it out, drive it and then if you decided to keep it, you'll confirm to MoneyBookers the sale and they will send the payment to me. If, by any reason, you will not be satisfied with it ( even though I can assure you that it is exactly as described), you can return it at my expense for a full refund of your money, no questions asked.I think this is more than fair for the both of us.

NOTE: The payment is refundable, and is just a security measure, to make sure that you are serious, and that I am not going to ship the car, and loose time and money.

If you are interested to go ahead with the deal, please reply with your full name, phone # and shipping address so I can ask MoneyBookers to open a case! After, they will contact you explaining all the details regarding the payment.
I'm looking forward to hear from you.

God bless !

-------------------------------------------------------------
U.S. Navy. Marlin Conner - HQMC. - Headquarters Marine Corps U.S. Navy.
http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/

this was posted on the wheeling craiglist but then it was "located" in virginia...searched this guy's email and he is " located" in at least 50 cities! i stopped counting... sgt64marlin@aol.com

Posted by erica on June 13, 2008 at 07:02

Here's another scam from Memphis craigslist. He says the bike is in Jonesboro, Ark, but when I asked to go see it, he changed his tune and said it was in a warehouse and is locked up where I can't get to it. LOL

Hi,
the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2900, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Jonesboro I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They are supervising the entire process from payment, shipping with a 14-day inspection period included, returns (if needed) and refunding.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks
________________________________________

Posted by David on June 14, 2008 at 00:26

If you're a Skype user you're forced to use Moneybookers to add credit to your Skype account, there's no alternative. Moneybookers asked for all the credit card details then having got them, within a nanosecond they'd blocked my card and I couldn't add the damn credit to Skype. I'm PO'd.

Posted by Carolynn on June 14, 2008 at 15:47

Toooo Funny! Glad I googled "moneylaunderers" um, :moneybookers"!
How 'bout THIS response to the ad in Savannah's Newspaper...(I asked why the 2005 Honda Accord was $5300 ...$11,000.00 UNDER BBook Value...) I figured it was a scam..but never know....
here's the scammer's email...LOL! They must have a computer-system that generates these emails to suckers...all exactly alike, only names/locales are changed. REEKS of Nigeria...

Hi,
I'm Chris Nelson, you inquired about my 2005 Honda Accord EX V6 Sedan (VIN: 1HGCM66805A058016).
I apologize for the delay, I'm in the military and now I am in United Kingdom and that's why I couldn't reply in time. If you are still interested in buying it, I'm asking $5,350. It has a clean title, very well maintained, always garage kept, no rust, excellent condition, runs and sounds 100% perfect with no leaks or noises. All power and optional equipments are working perfect. I have to sell this car as fast as I can because in three weeks I will be in Iraq and I think I'll stay there for a while that's why I'm selling it so cheap. I intend to buy a new car when I'll get back home. If you want to buy the car, I can ship for free within US with one of our military airplanes so you don't have to worry about the distance. If you are interested we can use a third party escrow broker, Moneybookers (http://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=escrow), to secure the transaction and to handle this whole process for us. Using a reputable E-Commerce third party escrow company will secure the transaction and you will receive the car before I'll get paid and of course I'm also covered because the funds will be kept safety into the escrow account. This is the best way for me even if I'll have to pay some extra money for their services. I'll cover the broker's fee and like I've explained, the shipping will be free because I can use one of our airplanes here and I don't have to pay anything. Let me know if you are interested. You can see some pics on the following link from my personal page: http://picasaweb.google.com/cn31sn/Accord
You'll love the car, I can guarantee you that!

Posted by trashfish on June 17, 2008 at 23:09

This was my reply to "him-them"....

Tell you what "Chris"....send me the car....and after I have it inspected, driven it awhile, I'll send you a cashier's check.That work for you?

HAHAHAHA! WHAT a joke...surprised you are not languishing in a scammer's prison...but can't arrest a computer now can they!

Laughing my arse off.

Posted by trashfish on June 17, 2008 at 23:19

Here's a new one in Alabama @ AL.COM

Hi there,

Thank you for your inquiry regarding my car. If you are interested in it you should know that it has never been wrecked or damaged, the car is in excelent condition. The total price that I'm asking including shipping and insurance fees will be $3,000.00 USD. The car is absolutely perfect, it has a clear title, has never been repaired, never been involved in any type of accident or had any paint or body work done! I live in England now, where European specs are different from the American ones and it costs me too much driving it legally here and also there is nobody interested in buying it here that's why I am selling so cheap hoping to find a buyer since the car is located in US. I would like to use Moneybookers, a third party service, to handle this transaction for our both safety and comfort (they will take care of the shipping/payment).

If you are still interested just send me your full name and shipping address, I will open a case and they will contact you with all the informations about our deal.

Thanks,
Marianne Platt

I almost fell for this Bullcrap but thank you God for this web site

Posted by Kevin on June 22, 2008 at 11:29

The car was a 200o Honda Civic with 30,000 miles

Posted by Kevin on June 22, 2008 at 11:38

I just almost got lured into this moneybookers scam when trying to purchase a new auto. When this seller claimed that he was outside of U.S. and gave me a wrong VIN, I grew suspicious and decided to do more research. Refer to this link: http://www.olemedia.net/fraud/autoscams.html
If you even type in moneybookers.com and google it, most links indicate that its a scam. I don't even know why their website still exists!

Posted by alena on June 23, 2008 at 07:10

I want to share email exchange between me and "Joseph":

From: josephlawrence63@hotmail.com
To: adavidovich@hotmail.com
Subject: 2005 Acura MDX
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:53:57 -0600

Hello,

Thank you for your interest about my car. Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Glasgow (Scotland) right now and I have been very busy. The total price of the 2005 Acura MDX is $8,800.00USD . THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I'll not negociate the price. The car is registered and located in United States. I want to keep the car for me, but I cannot register it here, as it is made for the USA market, according to US standards. So, I decided to sell it.
A few words about the car:
-2005 Acura MDX
-Mileage: 35600
-Automatic
-Title is clean.
-Engine: 6 Cylinder
-Exterior: Black
-Interior: Black
-VIN#2hnyd18955h534205
The car is like new, in perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.
If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply.

Thank you again for your interest.

...and I replied requestion more info:

From: adavidovich@hotmail.com
To: josephlawrence63@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: 2005 Acura MDX
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:40:19 -0500

Thats fine, you replied fairly quickly. I do have a couple more questions. What made you decide to sell this car for such a low price, considering this car could sell for twice as much? Why haven't you been able to sell the car so far? If I do this, will you be able to meet me personally in Indiana with a title? Is your name on the title? And finally, the VIN number you provided is incomplete, can you please re-send it to me again?

Thanks in advance,
Alena

...to which seller replies with:

Hello,

As I told you in my first e-mail, I am in Scotland, United Kingdom with my work. Before leaving US I had prearranged the deal with MoneyBookers.com so my presence in US isn't necessary. The car is in their warehouse ready for delivery.You have 10 days to test and inspect the car. So if you want to make this deal I need the following details from you:
*Full name and address
*Shipping address
*Phone #
After I will have all this details I will forward them to MoneyBookers and I will proceed the order. MoneyBookers will contact you with all the details that you need to complete this deal and also to see that i am covered by them and that I am legit seller.
Waiting your email with the requested details.

Regards!
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these emails are very generic and although worded differently, the story is always the same.

Posted by alena on June 23, 2008 at 07:26

WOW! Am I glad I found this site. I just ran into the same thing with a bike in posted on Craigslist in Denver....I swear it that the e-mails were identical to those listed above. The bike that was shown and price were reasonable so it seemed legit. I too asked to see the bike the in person and do a cash transaction but got the same response as many of those above....I hope they find a way to get these scammers!!!!!!

Posted by Scott on June 25, 2008 at 14:21

I know how you all feel about MB---have even reported them with the F.B.I.--WOULD LOVE TO GET MY HANDS ON THEM !!!!!!

Posted by Ralph on June 26, 2008 at 00:34

I've been playing along with a scammer who wants to sell me 95 VW Jetta. He set up an account with moneybookers. When it arrived, I read over the agreement and it read like the scammers letters, a little broken English. Thats why I'm here cause I sure don't like the sound of the outfit. One more thing . . . Wikipedia has everything listed but NOT moneybookers. My advice would be to stay away !

Posted by billygee on June 28, 2008 at 12:17

i almost fell for a bike listing also, the guy just does not want to do this face to face, and the bike is supposed to be 2 hours away from me.

as far as money bookers is concerned it could be a ligit business just very poorly run sor something, and this just provides an easy route for scammers, however this guy wants me to use the escrow service from moneyookers so in theorey i would have to release the funds, so that is why i almost went for it, but after reading everything here, no way would i do it

Posted by TK on June 29, 2008 at 13:31

I, too, probably almost got scammed until I researched and found this website!!! Here is another view of it, this one on Craigslist in Phoenix, but the bike is in Cottonwood, about 2 hours away. A bit more refined and better language. Start at the bottom of this post as I copied and pasted my exchanges.

Mel,

My daughter is representative and will sign over the papers when they ll pick up the bike. Please make a decision until tonight as I have another potential buyer ready to send the advance

Thanks for understanding!
Chris

From: Mel
Subject: RE: Sportster
To: chriskae@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 10:31 PM

Hi Chris,
I understand that you are trying to be safe about this transaction since you are out of town for a few weeks. I am trying to be safe as well, especially as this is a large purchase. The MoneyBookers thing makes me a bit uncomfortable as I do not know how the Title transfer happens this way and also the website states that I would have to be responsible for shipping the bike back if I don't accept it, a responsibility that I do not want.
I would be much more comfortable meeting you in Cottonwood and getting this done the old-fashioned way, me pay you (cash or cashier's check), and then you sign over the title at DMV. There is no need for a delivery as I am willing to go there for pick-up. I can wait until you get back home to do this in person, even if it is a few weeks.
I hope you understand and we can set up a time to meet. I know that the whole transaction can be done in very little time, but the Title transfer needs to happen at the DMV to be safe.
Please know that I am serious about buying the bike, but I also want to be very careful and safe and protect both of us.

Thanks,
Mel

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:03:48 -0700
From: chriskae@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Sportster

Hi again Mel,
Unfortunately only my daughter is at home and like I've told you I am out for few weeks. If you want to purchase it, let me explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can proceed: To start the official transaction, I need your full name and shipping address. As soon as I receive your info, I will forward it to MoneyBookers, they will start the transaction and notify you with all the instructions (payment-50,60% first and the rest payable at the delivery in cash or bank check, shipping, my account status etc.) You will have a 7-day return policy, so you will have the chance to inspect the bike and decide either you keep it or not. If you decide to keep it, they will release me the funds, if not they will be responsible for the return shipping and you will have a full refund within 3 days.
Anyway, they will explain you detailed the entire process..
I am waiting your email.
Thanks!
Chris

From: Mel
To: chriskae@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 9:44 PM

Hello Chris,
Thank you for your reply. I really do like this bike and am VERY serious about buying it, but am not really comfortable with purchasing it sight unseen... Are you out-of-town? I would really love to come up to Cottonwood to see the bike, and can do so Sunday or Tuesday. If you have the title, we could do everything Tuesday since the DMV is open. If you are out-of-town for a few weeks, I could wait until you get back to purchase it. I would be able to pay right away, however you want to do it. That way you won't have to deliver it. Please reply or call me (and I left my phone #'s.)
Thanks,
Mel

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:32:36 -0700
From: chriskae@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Sportster

(Notice the unpersonalized greeting here, this is a bulk mailing)
Hi,
A sudden and unexpected change of jobs is forcing me to sell it. First of all no trades/checks/overseas/etc, the bike looks and works like a dream, never down, never abused, like new cond, clear title, 1 st owner, 1120 miles, 1200cc. This bike was bought brand new and all original documentation, maint. records, bill of sale (paid $11,500), and owners manual will come with the bike. This bike is pictured with the OEM SOLO SEAT but,THE OEM DOUBLE SEAT WILL ALSO GO WITH THE BIKE so two seats are included with this bike solo and double. This bike has an OEM KEY FOB SECURITY ALARM SYSTEM installed from the factory. It has the chrome spoke rims option which is a ($200.00) option. The color is blk/pearl white with the Harley Davidson orange pin strpie, the fat rear fender in the same colors. The paint is in mint condition no dents, dings, or scratches. Some other features are, a trip meter, 4.5 gal. fuel tank, chrome bolt covers for primary chain cover and chrome head bolts.. I will deliver it as I am out for few weeks, it is a large amount so we ll use www.moneybookers.com for this transaction, I have an account with them, email me your full name and delivery address if you have all the money available ($5.400).
Thanks!
Chris

Posted by Mel Feeling Stupid on July 1, 2008 at 05:33

Replace the word "Harley" with "BMW" and you have below exactly the same reply I received about a BMW bike for sale on craigslist. !!! Definitely a scam !!!!

"I saw an ad on Craigslist for a Harley. Responded to the ad was told that the owner was working in London for the next 7 months and that the bike would be delivered to me with a 14 day guarantee"

Posted by Tom on July 2, 2008 at 10:48

Another scam from our UK friend. This time, "Peter Lodwick" is selling an insanely well-priced Buell on craigslist...

Hi,
There are 10370 miles on it, the bike is still available, it's in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2850, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Ralston but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They are supervising the entire process from payment, shipping with a 14-day inspection period, returns (if needed) and refunding.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

Good thing I saw this site! This d-bag needs to take a swift kick to the pills.

Posted by Andrew on July 3, 2008 at 11:12

LOL.... This is too funny. Like the rest of you, Im glad I researched on moneybookers.com... Same exact story as the rest of you... Check out my "Conversation" with "Peter Krugers."

Me: Are you still looking to sell the bike? And are you willing to sell it for 2000?

Peter: Hi,
the bike is still available, it's in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2950, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Lakeland but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They are supervising the entire process from payment, shipping with a 14-day inspection period, returns (if needed) and refunding.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

Me: Hey, I appreciate your quick response regarding the matter... Ive been getting the run around from everyone I've contacted about purchasing a bike. Unfortunately I only have $2000 cash available toward the purchase of a bike (student), I understand if you would like to stand firm on your price. I attend Florida A&M University in Tallahassee, so driving to Lakeland would be no problem if that could result in negotiation of a lower price.
Thanks.
* Notice my offer to drive to Lakeland maybe 3 hours away from me...

Peter: Hi again,
the bike is stored in Savannah GA at MoneyBookers storage facility. Usually they deliver the products with a 14-day return policy right after the payment is confirmed, for inspection and to pick it up instead of have it delivered you have to schedule an appointment, and it could take up to 25 days until you have it set which is more than I`m willing to wait.
I`m paying some fees each passing day and the shipping is a service offered for me as a customer, with or without shipping the price is the same, anyway the best price I can offer you is $2500 including all the taxes.
If you want to purchase it, let me explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can proceed:
To start the official transaction I need your full name and delivery address, I forward it to MoneyBookers and they will notify you with all the instructions (payment, shipping, my account status etc.). One of their agents will be assigned to receive and handle the payment. You have to transfer the funds to their agent as per their email directions and when the payment is complete, you have to send them the transfers information, they verify it, deposit the purchase amount in their trust account and start the shipping process. You will have a 14-day return policy, so you will have the chance to test and inspect the bike before funds are released. If you decide to keep it, they have the power of attorney so they will transfer the title into your name and release me the funds, if not they will be responsible for the return shipping and you will have a complete refund within 3 days.
Anyway, they will explain you detailed the entire process.

I am waiting your email.
Thanks

Im abandoning all efforts/communications with this deal... I'll rather pay 2500 to a dealership.... At least they're man enough to steal your money in your face... Good luck to everyone caught up in this horrible fiasco..

Posted by Roland on July 3, 2008 at 20:09

All....thats everyone, Moneybooker is not secure to handle the your funds or monetary transfer with any confidence of security or protection.......DO NOT USE THEM.

As others have said, there is to many holes in the Moneybooker system that scammers and future fraud can use them and scam you of all your money...or rather some that you wont get back and be cheated out by trusting in Moneybooker.

Bottom line, if they say they can protect your funds and use systems outside their network, then it is a fraud or scam.

The internet is not secure or has any good security. You just have to be vigilant and cautious and dealing with companies such as Moneybooker. Read everything before committing, and even before that read again.

If it seems too good to be true, then it is too good to be true....if it doesn't feel right or safe, do not jump....run!!!!!

And if you have to power.....just nuke those bastards and turn them in to local FBI office....

Posted by Octobersky on July 4, 2008 at 06:51

wow. this world is just unbelievable. so i saw the deal on this link from craigslist, http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/car/741810770.html, and i was like wow im on top of this like white on rice, right, who wouldnt be. anyways so i get all these emails about the guy being in scotland, and i was like ok well who can i contact over here, because someone has the car right, he continued to say that it is in a warehouse in ny held by MB. so i was like ok well im can get to new york like that so go ahead and give me the info and i will go look at it and then test drive it and if i like it you will have the money cash in the next ten minutes. so anyways he continues to say that he needs 30% and then the car will be shipped to me and i have 10 days to get it checked out and test drove and if i dont like it then i can ship it back to them on him. its kind of fishy when he said that when i can just go and look at it in person and save him some money on shipping. anyways after that email i have yet to recieve another one from him and all the other emails came like 10 minutes after i sent one. and get this like 10 minutes after i found the ad on craigslist i searched for it again and it wasnt there.

Posted by jorge on July 4, 2008 at 12:19

thanks for this blog

I found recently nissan 350z with an attractive selling price
here is the reply I got from the seller

Hello,
I'm the owner of the 2003 Nissan 350Z on which you've recently show interest. The car is in excellent shape and running condition and it has a clean title. The price for the car is $4,000 with shipping and handling included in price. I am located in Houston, TX now and the car will be shipped from here. Shipping will be done via DAS and it will take no more then 2-3 days top (depending on your exact location).
The transaction will be made through MoneyBookers Escrow for our own protection. You will have 5 days to inspect and test drive the car upon arrival with no obligation to buy. If you are interested in the purchase, please get back to me and let know so we can make the deal.

Sincerely,
Chris

of course It sounds fishy and I emailed him that we are in Houston and we can just drive there
I don't expect him to answer

Thanks

Posted by Mohammad on July 5, 2008 at 05:56

July 7, 2008 Received another e-mail from Linda Barry wanting to sell Honda Accord Valued at $17,000 for only $8,800.USD. (Moved to Scotland)
Lookup on AutoTrader.com - 2006 Honda Accord Limit $9,000.00 & you should find the car.
I tried to forward this to Moneybookers so they could address this SCAM, but there is no Email address to send to.
Email from scammer Wants 30% sent to:

Our department require the payment to be done through WesternUnion money transfer service:

1) Click HERE to locate the nearest WesternUnion Office.
2) Make the payment for the deposit with cash using our verified MoneyBookers Agent details as receiver:

MoneyBookers Verified Agent Details:

Name: John Farrow
Street: 296 Charlton Road
City: Bristol
State: Bristol
Zip Code: BS10 6JU
Country: United Kingdom

3) Fax the WesternUnion receipt at the following fax # : +1 (267)-327-6619

- E--mail us - by replying to this e-mail - the following details from the payment receipt:

- MTCN - 10 digits number from the receipt
- Sender Name and Address
- Receiver Name (MoneyBookers Agent)
- Amount Sent

To avoid WesternUnion fees you will have to declare at the WesternUnion office that the money will be sent for a relative or friend (the transfer commission will be smaller 3~5%). For online payments, you could pay 10~12% transfer commission.

A legitimate business would not tell you to lie to WesternUnion.

Be Careful Folks. Jay

Posted by Jay on July 8, 2008 at 12:46

hi,everyone. i was about to be one of those who lost thier money in that moneybooker thing ,i gave up the idea after i read all that .but can any one lead me to a reputable,honest company to deal with -espescially when talking about making money on the net for the first time, not just paying for thing to be recieved .thanks to anyone willing to help .

Posted by reham on July 15, 2008 at 01:55

I am soo glad I found this forum, I read no further down than the 2nd mention of a motorcycle at low cost on craigslist from someone overseas, followed by an email that sounds word for word like the email I got only with another name.

The first email...

Hi,
the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2850, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Texas City but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They are supervising the entire process from payment, shipping with a 14-day inspection period, returns (if needed) and refunding.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

I thought this sounded like a scam and even told him that, and he responded with this email...

Hi again (My name),
the bike is stored in Dallas at MoneyBookers storage facility. Usually they deliver the products with a 14-day return policy right after the payment is confirmed, for inspection and to pick it up instead of have it delivered you have to schedule an appointment, and it could take up to 25 days until you have it set which is more than I`m willing to wait.
If you want to purchase it, let me explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can proceed:
To start the official transaction I need your full name and delivery address, I forward it to MoneyBookers and they will notify you with all the instructions (payment, shipping, my account status etc.). One of their agents will be assigned to receive and handle the payment. You have to transfer the funds to their agent as per their email directions and when the payment is complete, you have to send them the transfers information, they verify it, deposit the purchase amount in their trust account and start the shipping process. You will have a 14-day return policy, so you will have the chance to test and inspect the bike before funds are released. If you decide to keep it, they have the power of attorney so they will transfer the title into your name and release me the funds, if not they will be responsible for the return shipping and you will have a complete refund within 3 days.
Anyway, they will explain you detailed the entire process.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

I'm so glad I found this site. I'm honestly angry that I almost fell for such scam, I wonder if there is anyone I can turn this in to or any other way to out this bastard on a scam that almost F***ed me?

Posted by hithesnoozebutn on July 16, 2008 at 00:45

Sorry for your luck and mine Tony..we probably got screwed by the same guy.. with the motorcycle add.. what a jerk.. I was buyin a motorcycle for my boyfriend who was recently diagnosed with cancer as a pick me up... man, i can't believe t his.. i got super screwed!

Posted by Andie on July 18, 2008 at 22:18

I also almost fell for the same car scam on autotrader.com.

Luckily, before I was going to Western Union money to anyone, I researched Moneybooker and also googled the VIN number which brought me to a legit car dealer in Great Neck, NY who had the car (same car & VIN) on sale at autotrader.com for $8900 not the scam artists price of $2000 (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=248466963). The scam artists, Elizabeth Calfee (elizabeth.calfe03@hotmail.com), 147 Howard Street (which is really the address of a Fireplace Co!!), Glasgow, Scotland G1 4HF sent me a fake Moneybooker invoice which came from email address escrow@moneybookersco.com asking me to pay via Western Union and to send the $2000 to a `MoneyBookers Verified Agent` who`s supposedly is Richard Baggett, 211 Parade Street (This street does not even exist!!), Angus, Scotland, DD8 3AE. I also emailed the legit dealer in Great Neck, NY (Great Neck Car Buyers & Sellers Inc: http://greatneckcarbuyers.com/; Sales@greatneckcarbuyers.com) who advised that the $2000 add is a scam.

Here is what you need to do when finding that `too good to be true` car deal anywhere:

1. Google the VIN number. If it comes up for a car for sale somewhere else, email/call that seller & verify. Also google the sellers name (mine was nowhere to be found in the state she supposedly had lived in).

2. If you decide to make the deal anyways, google map the sellers address.

3. NEVER pay via Western Union or alike, IF you have to, at least go through Moneybookers even though I do not really want to suggest that either. Contact the seller & say that you would prefer to pay via PayPal and see what he/she responses to that.

4. Basically, if it seems too good to be true, it usually is. BEWARE, do your research and cover all your bases!

5. File an FBI report here: http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx. I did!

Posted by Carolina on July 23, 2008 at 06:51

Isn’t there anyone out there that is a computer genius that can come up with a strategy to FUCK these guys?

They have saturated the internet and are destroying everything that was good about it, but worst of all they are preying on those who can’t afford to be ripped off.

Knowing it was a Scam I played along to see how far they’d go and I got the most official looking, fraudulent eBay invoice. They want me to send money to a so called eBay financial agent named: Fernando Horta with an address leading to an apt. in Concord, CA. The e-mail address was to ebayinvoice@payment–purchase.com

I put on my Sherlock Holmes gear and proceeded with my investigation. Payment-purchase.com is owned by: Jennifer Balkan in Emeryville, CA. Her cell phone is listed as 510-595-2002.

I forwarded the invoice to eBay, who confirmed that it was a fake. I received no assurances that they would do anything to protect the eBay name or the eBay customers.

Craigslist, Cars.com, Autotrader.com, eBay, the FBI, Money Gram, Western Union or any one else will not do anything to stop these pricks.

LETS FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THEM!!!

Posted by Sheila Martinez on July 26, 2008 at 04:19

these scammers moved onto kijiji.ca. some guy is trying to sell my a 2000 inegra for $4100. i told him that i ain't gonna put any money towards this car unless i see it in person. too bad he already has my phone email postal code and address. does this mean im screwed? please someone get back to me. and i wish everyone best of luck with this whole scam.

Posted by john on July 27, 2008 at 15:02

Wow.......... Im glad I googled moneybookers....I saw and replied to their ad on craigslist for the motorcycle....... it sounded too good to be true.... the person who claims to own it sent me this email:
Hi,

There are 7702 miles on it, the bike is in great condition, it has been properly maintained, never been dropped or abused in any way. It has clear title and the price I'm selling it for is $2980, which is including all the shipping charges.

I live in Austin and I work for Experience Mission, if you would like to checkout our website to give you some peace . The website is www.experiencemission.org it is a mission organization , i left the country with a mission in UK , i raise founds in local churches to buy food , clothes and medicament's so we can help the children's in our missions from poor countries.

Anyway, there shouldn`t be any problem, because I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell the bike without difficulty.

I left the bike at their warehouse (in US) before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery. There`s a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test, inspect and ride it before final decision.

So if you want to purchase it, drop me a line and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.

I am waiting your email.

Thanks

Im glad you guys posted this blog!!!!!

Ron

Posted by RON on July 29, 2008 at 05:59

Has anyone checked out the 2003 Tahoe Ski and Fish boat for 5000$ on autotrader... Legit?

Posted by michelle on August 5, 2008 at 12:45

Has anyone checked out the 2003 Tahoe Ski and Fish boat for 5000$ on autotrader... Legit?

Posted by michelle on August 5, 2008 at 12:45

I have checked into this a little farther and believe that it is a scam.

Posted by Reny on August 5, 2008 at 20:47

In regards to the Tahoe ski//fishing boat, I believe that it is a scam. I have been interested in a Tahoe boat now for 3 years and the going rate is $10,000+ for anything legit.

Posted by Reny on August 5, 2008 at 20:57

How about the 2001 VW New Beetle being offered by Barbara Garner on AutoTrader.com for only $2,340? She seems to be living in Scotland right now, but the car is being held in the MoneyBookers warehouse in Denver, Co. She says that I can very easily Western Union the money to her MoneyBookers Agent in the UK and the car will be shipped immediatly. Since I live in the Chicagoland Area, I was just wondering if there was anyone out there that would like to take a look at this car for me out in Denver? Too bad I can't seem to get an address for the MoneyBookers Warehouse in Denver!

Posted by Christine on August 6, 2008 at 06:03

MoneyBookers sucks. No doubt about it. I'm going through a similar scenario and they seem to fail to respond. And it's going to be a whole month. Very unprofessional. Very careless. Very likely to fail sooner than later. Bye bye MB!!!

Posted by Sufyan on August 6, 2008 at 16:48

same story regarding a 2007 Can Am Renegade in the DC craigslist listings a few weeks ago. $3050 for an atv with 66 miles on it - less than half of what it's worth.

Hi,
There are 66 miles on it, the quad is in great condition, it has been properly maintained, never been abused in any way. It has clear title and the price I'm selling it for is $3050 which is including all the shipping charges.
I live in washington, DC and I work for Experience Mission, if you would like to checkout our website to give you some peace . The website is www.experiencemission.org it is a mission organization , i left the country with a mission in UK , i raise founds in local churches to buy food , clothes and medicament's so we can help the children's in our missions from poor countries.
Anyway, there shouldn't be any problem, because I am using MoneyBookers services so I can sell the quad without difficulty.
I left the quad at their warehouse (in US) before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery. There's a 14 days return policy so you will have the chance to test, inspect and ride it before final decision.
So if you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

GibsonMendoza@gmail.com is the sender of the fraudulent emails if anyone wants to try & figure out who some of the culprits are in these scams.

Posted by jr on August 10, 2008 at 21:43

Thanks for all your valuable comments. Not a member of Moneybookers and won't even bother thanks to all your most excellent efforts. Too bad the deal really did seem too good BUT thank God for this forum.

Posted by Mike on August 13, 2008 at 05:15

Here's another one:
Lesty Maxwel (lestymaxwel56@yahoo.com)

ad for Kawasaki Ninja
Dumbass said mileage is 10,450, then sent an e-mail saying mileage is 14720

Price too low, red flag, stolen ad recycled, probably
changed a bit; same crap.
Someone should Ninja this guy's ass!
I'll hold him down.

Hi,
There are 14720 miles on it, the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2750, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Ocala I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They are supervising the entire process from payment, shipping with a 14-day inspection period included, returns (if needed) and refunding.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

I have no problem in moving forward to pulverize you, you dipshit!

Follow up reply:

The bike is in great condition, has never been dropped or damaged in any way, the oil has been changed around every 1500 miles with filter by myself. I have also recently replaced the front and rear brake pads too. The tires are in good condition , the battery was replaced two months ago, there`s nothing that needs to be repaired or replaced, the bike is ready to be ridden.

If I get hold of you, everything will need to be replaced and repaired, and you will be ridden.... in prison!

Ladies and Gentleman you have been warned!

Posted by T. on August 13, 2008 at 05:28

Just like the rest SCAM SCAM SCAM
A 98BMW Z3 for sale and a complete scam. Phone number they gave me is a dial up Netscape provider in Durango Colorado.....Elizabeth Calfe.... poor thing has this Z3 and is desperately trying to get rid of for 1850US............... notice the reply TRANSMISSION Unavailable and STEREO UNAVAILABLE..... Probably Stole it from herself.

She they will pay... KARMA IS A BITCH. Time will end her miserable life. Read the joke of an answer to a simple question.............

***VEHICLE LEAD***
>
> The following lead was generated from AutoTrader.com's web site at http://www.autotrader.com. The listing is provided by AutoTrader magazine.
> To view the vehicle, click the link below:
> http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=249730971
>
>
> VEHICLE INFORMATION
> Make: BMW
> Model: Z3
> Year: 1998
> Price: 1820
> Mileage: 48754
> Body Style: Convertible
> Color: Green
> Cylinders: 4 Cylinder
> Transmission: Unavailable
> Doors: Two Door
> Stereo: Unavailable
> Description: 1998 BMW Z3, ac, p/windows, cc, air bags, abs, lthr, alarm, power seats power door locks power mirrors antilock brakes alloy wheels CD , $1820, 970-375-7241
>
> BUYER INFO
> Name:
> Comments: I was looking into your 1998 BMW Z3, and was wondering if you could send me some more information on the car, such as, interior and exterior condition, reason why your selling it, information about the engine and if you could send me some more pics.

Hi there,

If you are interested in my car you should know that the car is as good as new, it has never been wrecked or damaged,the car is in excelent condition. The total price that I 'm asking for the car including shipping and insurance fees will be $1,820.00USD. The car is absolutely perfect, it has a clear title, has never been repaired, never been involved in any type of accident or had any paint or body work done! I live in Scotland now, where European specs are different from the American ones and it costs me too much driving this car legally here and also there is nobody interested in buying it here that's why I am selling it so cheap hoping to find a buyer since the car is located at Moneybookers company. I would like to use MoneyBookers Shipping Department a third party service to handle this transaction for our both safety and comfort. (they will take care of the shipping/payment). I'm really sorry but I have some problems with the phone. For some reasons when I receive a call, the fax machine is connecting in the same time. I've talked with the phone company and only in 4-5 days they can send someone to fix the problem.

If you are still interested just send me your full name and shipping address and I will open a case and they will contact you with all the informations about our deal.

Thank you,
Elizabeth

> ***VEHICLE LEAD***
>
> The following lead was generated from AutoTrader.com's web site at http://www.autotrader.com. The listing is provided by AutoTrader magazine.
> To view the vehicle, click the link below:
> http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=249730971
>
>
> VEHICLE INFORMATION
> Make: BMW
> Model: Z3
> Year: 1998
> Price: 1820
> Mileage: 48754
> Body Style: Convertible
> Color: Green
> Cylinders: 4 Cylinder
> Transmission: Unavailable
> Doors: Two Door
> Stereo: Unavailable
> Description: 1998 BMW Z3, ac, p/windows, cc, air bags, abs, lthr, alarm, power seats power door locks power mirrors antilock brakes alloy wheels CD , $1820, 970-375-7241
>
> BUYER INFO
> Name:
> Comments: I was looking into your 1998 BMW Z3, and was wondering if you could send me some more information on the car, such as, interior and exterior condition, reason why your selling it, information about the engine and if you could send me some more pics.

Posted by Mike on August 13, 2008 at 05:37

Do not under any circumstances give these people money! They are the ultimate BOGUS RIPOFF ARTISTS!!! I doubt any of the entries here that are positive are for real. Find another way for payment. Don't say you haven't been warned!!

Posted by Rob on August 14, 2008 at 00:33

Wow - what a scam. I found a 2002 Mercedes-Benz CLK430 with 73,496 miles on Autotrader.com for $4,240.

The ad had very little info about the vehicle and only a single picture. I felt that it was too good to be true - either a scam or something wrong with the car. I sent them a note and here's the response I received...

Hi there,

Thank you
Judith Carrick

> Subject: Owner 63140923: AutoTrader.com: Vehicle Lead 2002 Mercedes-Benz CLK430
>
> ***VEHICLE LEAD***
>
> The following lead was generated from AutoTrader.com's web site at http://www.autotrader.com. The listing is provided by AutoTrader magazine.
> To view the vehicle, click the link below:
> http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=249839010
>
>
> VEHICLE INFORMATION
> Make: Mercedes-Benz
> Model: CLK430
> Year: 2002
> Price: 4240
> Mileage: 73496
> Body Style: Convertible
> Color: Silver
> Cylinders: 6 Cylinder
> Transmission: Automatic
> Doors: Two Door
> Stereo: Unavailable
> Description: 2002 MERCEDES-BENZ CLK430, ac, pdl, p/mirrors, p/windows, cc, tilt, stereo, am/fm, air bags, abs, tint, alarm, Automatic AC CD Clear title one owner!, $4240, 443-550-8169

There's a lot of truth in the old saying - If it's too good to be true, it probably is.

Buyer beware...

Posted by David on August 15, 2008 at 01:49

MY story is exactly the same as the one for the 02 Mercedes CLK. Only the car i was interested in was a 02 Acura MDX for $2840. The verbage regarding the condition of the car & everything is word for word the same!!
I did let the seller Barbara Garner know i was interested & gave my requested info. Later my girlfriend & i started researching things. We pulled a carfax report & it said the car was in Florida, when in the autotrader.com posting it was listed as being in Cypress, CA. We went back to autotrader.com & the posting was gone!

Moneybookers offers a live chat with an operator so we decided to start a chat. We asked about using a credit card as a payment option & the reply back was that we had to go to a Western Union location & pay cash. I had looked into Western Union & they do offer online payment methods using a credit card. When i had mentioned this to the MB operator the reply was: you must go to a location & pay cash.
So at that point i knew for sure this was a SCAM, so for shits & giggles i asked: How will i be able to track my payment?
I didn't get a response & the msg said that the chat was terminated by the operator.........When we tried to reconnect back to another chat with another operator, the page wouldn't even display.......... Need i say anymore????
So it goes without saying that i didn't go thru with anything!!!!!
Either way this Moneybookers & these people doing these SCAMS should really watch out, because what goes around comes around and these A-HOLE's will get what they deserve!!! I can for sure say that i'm glad i came across these blogs.
I hope no one falls for these SCAMS!!

Posted by Ruben on August 16, 2008 at 06:38

I too received an email like above. I began by I calling the phone#, which just squealed like a fax machine, then I did via reverse phone# look up at both http://www.whitepages.com/reverse-lookup and at http://www.reversephonedetective.com
and found that the phone# 801-407-4265 was from Lehi, Utah. I asked the owner if the car was in Parker Colorado or by Salt Lake Utah. I never got an answer to this question.

My email from them was the following:
From: elizabeth calfe
Subject: RE: Owner 63164043: AutoTrader.com: Vehicle Lead 2003 Nissan Altima
To: my email address
Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 9:07 AM

Hi there,

If you are interested in my car you should know that the car is as good as new, it has never been wrecked or damaged,the car is in excelent condition. The total price that I 'm asking for the car including shipping and insurance fees will be $3,120.00USD. The car is absolutely perfect, it has a clear title, has never been repaired, never been involved in any type of accident or had any paint or body work done! I live in Scotland now, where European specs are different from the American ones and it costs me too much driving this car legally here and also there is nobody interested in buying it here that's why I am selling it so cheap hoping to find a buyer since the car is located at Moneybookers company. I would like to use MoneyBookers Shipping Department a third party service to handle this transaction for our both safety and comfort. (they will take care of the shipping/payment). I'm really sorry but I have some problems with the phone. For some reasons when I receive a call, the fax machine is connecting in the same time. I've talked with the phone company and only in 4-5 days they can send someone to fix the problem.

If you are still interested just send me your full name and shipping address and I will open a case and they will contact you with all the informations about our deal.

Thank you,
Elizabeth

Posted by Jake on August 22, 2008 at 23:57

Thanks to all for the information on these scams. I'm just glad I did some research before jumping into a "too good to be true" deal.
Thanks again, everyone

Posted by Mike on August 26, 2008 at 09:44

I live in UK and have just received an email from Moneybookers inviting me to join their network of 7 million account holders.

Wondered if it might be a scam but looks more like incompetence than malice. I'm going to check their directors anyway against the FSA database and if it's dodgy I'll post the details I find. Either way they won't get my business.

Posted by Paul on September 2, 2008 at 03:44

Moneybookers and its directors are all FSA registered with clean records. One of them is also a director of Thomas Cook, the major travel agent. They've got quite a complex structure.

Found an article that they were recently bought by Investcorp. Also found an interview about moving their IT to Bulgaria for cost saving. Personally I wouldn't want my details going anywhere near the the most corrupt country in Europe.

Posted by Paul on September 2, 2008 at 04:14

From: Anne Donnell

Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008 5:48 PM

To:

Subject: RE: Owner 63223757: AutoTrader.com: Vehicle Lead 1999 Jeep Wrangler

Size: 11 KB

Hello again ,

Thank you for geting back to me in such short notice with the required informations.
I want to bring to your atention that any transaction I close is recorded by MoneyBookers, they will insure this transaction and we are protected by MoneyBookers.They already know about this transaction between us, and they must contact you with all the necessary informations you might need about our deal as soon as i will forward them your data's.Due to the strict policies of webmaster SPAM filters, you may not receive the Invoice from MoneyBookers in your Inbox.Please check your 'SPAM' box too from your email address in order to complete the transaction.
I will ship it immediately, and it will be delivered to you in max 3 days.
After you receive the car you will have 10 days to test drive it and verify it. If you are not completely satisfied with the car upon inspection you have absolutely no obligation to buy.

Let me know after you will receive the Invoice from MoneyBookers.
Thank you for your time and kindness.
Anne Donnell

> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:40:37 -0400
> From:
> To: anne.donnell@hotmail.com
> Subject: RE: Owner 63223757: AutoTrader.com: Vehicle Lead 1999 Jeep Wrangler
>
>
> them contact me!!!!!!!!
>
>
> ---- Anne Donnell wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,If you are interested in my car you should know that the car is as good as new, it has never been wrecked or damaged,the car is in excelent condition. The total price that I 'm asking for the car including shipping and insurance fees will be $2,160.00USD. The car is absolutely perfect, it has a clear title, has never been repaired, never been involved in any type of accident or had any paint or body work done! I live in Scotland now, where European specs are different from the American ones and it costs me too much driving this car legally here and also there is nobody interested in buying it here that's why I am selling it so cheap hoping to find a buyer since the car is located in Denver, CO at Moneybookers company. I would like to use MoneyBookers Shipping Department a third party service to handle this transaction for our both safety and comfort. (they will take care of the shipping/payment). If you are still interested just send me your full name and shipping address and I will open a case and they will contact you with all the informations about our deal. Thank youAnne Donnell> Subject: Owner 63223757: AutoTrader.com: Vehicle Lead 1999 Jeep Wrangler> > ***VEHICLE LEAD***> > The following lead was generated from AutoTrader.com's web site at http://www.autotrader.com. The listing is provided by AutoTrader magazine. > To view the vehicle, click the link below:> ">http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=250836087> > > VEHICLE INFORMATION> Make: Jeep> Model: Wrangler> Year: 1999> Price: 2160> Mileage: 48375> Body Style: Sport Utility> Color: Green> Cylinders: 6 Cylinder> Transmission: Automatic> Doors: Two Door> Stereo: Unavailable> Description: 1999 JEEP WRANGLER, p/seats, pdl, p/mirrors, p/windows, cc, tilt, stereo, am/fm, air bags, abs, lthr, tint, alarm, AC CD Clear title one owner!, $2160, 662-721-1401> > BUYER INFO> Name: Britany young> E-Mail Address: kinged11@cox.net> Day Phone: (401) 486-1066> Comments: call please> Zip Code of Sender: unavailable> > > Fraud Awareness Tips For Sellers: > ">http://www.autotrader.com/research/shared/article_popup.jsp?article_id=12125>
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Posted by ED on September 5, 2008 at 13:43

Wow, I almost fell into the same trap. Really nice 1996 Mercedes 500SL in AutoTrader for an unbelievably low price of $1810 (blue book is ten times that). Received the identical emails as in the posts above, mine also from Elizabeth Calfe. I even took the money out of the bank, but decided to do a bit more checking. I had gone on Moneybookers website and they seemed legitimate. However, the nice teller at the bank suggested that I google Moneybookers fraud rather than just Moneybookers. Needless to say, I saw this, and other, strings and have returned the money to may bank.

Thanks everyone.

Posted by Ralph on September 5, 2008 at 21:50

I was scammed by Craig's list about a 4 wheeler supposed to be stored in Dallas. Was I just stupid? The person with the 4 wheeler was supposed to be working in the UK for www,experiencemission.org. Of course this was a scam. So beware - the person's name was Gibson Mendoza, from Tulsa??? his email address: gibsonmendoza@gmail.com. The person to receive the moneygram was: Tommy Doran - address: 4011 Druid Hills Dr Dallas, TX 75224 United States

Posted by Dwain on September 6, 2008 at 00:03

I just now am finding this blog and also am just finding out that I probably got scammed out of about 4,000. A lady was selling a car because she was going through a divorce and wanted to sell it fast. I am completely unfamiliar with Money Bookers and just a nice college girl and so I did everything I was instructed, I faxed a copy of the money gram to the fax number provided and haven't heard any thing from either money bookers or the lady. Right now I'm completely shocked, in a couple of hours I'll be completely pissed. Any advice on recourse of action?

Posted by brandi on September 6, 2008 at 03:53

here's another one from auto trader
the ad has been pulled after only two days !!

Thank you for your inquiry regarding my car. If you are interested in it you should know that it has never been wrecked or damaged, the car is in excelent condition. The total price I'm asking will be $6,000.00 CAD. The car is absolutely perfect, it has a clear title, has never been repaired, never been involved in any type of accident or had any paint or body work done! I live in England now, where European specs are different from the Canadian ones and it costs me too much driving it legally here and also there is nobody interested in buying it here that's why I am selling so cheap hoping to find a buyer since the car is located in North America. I would like to use Moneybookers, a third party service, to handle this transaction for our both safety and comfort (they will take care of the shipping/payment).
If you are still interested just send me the buyer's name and shipping address, I'll open a case and they will contact you with all the informations about our deal.

Thank you.

this is for a 2004 nissan maxima , would give more details but as i said autrader has pulled ad already

Posted by mike on September 8, 2008 at 12:39

Keep this thread going in the hope that it may stop somebody else. I too thought it was too good to be true, so I started researching. Here is his e-mail to me:
_____________________________
Hi,
I'm Kevin Johnson, you inquired about my 2005 Jeep Wrangler Sport SUV 4WD (VIN: 1J4FA49S95P373565).
I apologize for the delay, I'm in the military and now I am in United Kingdom and that's why I couldn't reply in time. If you are still interested in buying it, I'm asking $5,700. It has a clean title, very well maintained, always garage kept, no rust, excellent condition, runs and sounds 100% perfect with no leaks or noises. All power and optional equipments are working perfect. I have to sell this car as fast as I can because in three weeks I will be in Iraq and I think I'll stay there for a while that's why I'm selling it so cheap. I intend to buy a new car when I'll get back home. If you want to buy the car, I can ship for free within US with one of our military airplanes so you don't have to worry about the distance. If you are interested we can use a third party escrow broker, Moneybookers (http://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=escrow), to secure the transaction and to handle this whole process for us. Using a reputable E-Commerce third party escrow company will secure the transaction and you will receive the car before I'll get paid and of course I'm also covered because the funds will be kept safety into the escrow account. This is the best way for me even if I'll have to pay some extra money for their services. I'll cover the broker's fee and like I've explained, the shipping will be free because I can use one of our airplanes here and I don't have to pay anything. Let me know if you are interested. You can see some pics on the following link from my personal page: http://picasaweb.google.com/kevj68/WranglerSport
You'll love the car, I can guarantee you that!
_____________________________

My response:
Kevin,
I'm interested in the car, however, it seems a little too good to be true. $5700 is the deal of the century on this vehicle. I understand desperate, but asking $8000 less than the best price? I see that the car was purchased in Pennsylvania. Is it still there? It looks like you had it listed on Cleveland.com and www.tradespress.com (Central & Southern Californi'a Userd Cars...). (Found by googling your e-mail address.) Phone number listed for you is 509-356-8028. 509 is the area code for Central Washington (State), Spokane. So you can see my hesitation. I'll await your response to this and my last e-mail.
________________________
I too did a carfax report.

Posted by Ed on September 8, 2008 at 21:09

Hi Everyone!!
I too have found another scammer, maybe repeats of the ones already listed??

The following is what I received:

Hello,

As I told you in my first e-mail, I am in Scotland, United Kingdom with my work. Before leaving US I had prearranged the deal with www.MoneyBookers.com so my presence in US isn't necessary. The car is in their warehouse ready for delivery.You have 10 days to test and inspect the car. So if you want to make this deal I need the following details from you:

*Full name and address
*Shipping address
*Phone #

Regards!

Glad I decided to do a little research. My brother and I seem to find these scams alot. As someone previously wrote, we are people who can't afford alot so we are looking for a deal and shopping around. This is terrible that people do such things.

Posted by Cindy on September 9, 2008 at 00:31

I had a similar run in with moneybooker they are a scam I contacted this lady she told me the car was in Scotland and they would deliver it for 1800.00 98 honda accord I was curious so I researched it I went back and told her I did not feel comfortable w/ moneybookers maybe we should do paypal or another safe transaction do you know that this women emailed me back thinking that I was another sucker and stated that the car was in Colorado and std thjat the car was a 2000 Honda instead of a 1998 go figure becareful of this scam and DO NOT WESTERN UNION any money this is my input and I am going to expose her here are the emails I found the car on AutoTrader.com
Hi there,

If you are interested in my car you should know that the car is as good as new, it has never been wrecked or damaged,the car is in excelent condition. The total price that I 'm asking for the car including shipping and insurance fees will be $1,800.00USD. The car is absolutely perfect, it has a clear title, has never been repaired, never been involved in any type of accident or had any paint or body work done! I live in Scotland now, where European specs are different from the American ones and it costs me too much driving this car legally here and also there is nobody interested in buying it here that's why I am selling it so cheap hoping to find a buyer since the car is located in USA at Moneybookers company. I would like to use MoneyBookers Shipping Department a third party service to handle this transaction for our both safety and comfort. (they will take care of the shipping/payment). I'm really sorry but I have some problems with the phone. For some reasons when I receive a call, the fax machine is connecting in the same time. I've talked with the phone company and only in 4-5 days they can send someone to fix the problem.

If you are still interested just send me your full name and shipping address and I will open a case and they will contact you with all the informations about our deal.

Hello again,

Thank you for geting back to me in such short notice with the required informations. I want to bring to your attention that any transaction I close is recorded by Moneybookers, they will insure this transaction and also the money exchanged, therefore we are protected by Moneybookers. They should contact you with all the necessary informations you might need about our deal as soon as I will forward them your data's. Due to the strict policies of webmaster SPAM filters, you may not receive the instructions from Moneybookers in your Inbox. Please check your SPAM, BULK or JUNK folder too in order to complete the transaction.

Let me know after you will receive the Invoice from Moneybookers.

Thank you for your time and kindness.

Hi there,

If you are still interested just send me your full name and shipping address and I will open a case and they will contact you with all the informations about our deal.

Thank you
Laura Harris

Posted by Princess on September 9, 2008 at 00:48

My 17 year old son found this while looking thru auto trader.

Hi there,

Posted by Michele on September 10, 2008 at 01:33

Whoa ! Thank you guys...I would've been scammed if not for all you awesome guys who shared their experience.
I enquired about this vehicle
http://livedeal.com/ShowItemDetail?id=67449392

This is the response (innocent looking but Scary stuff) I got....
-----Inline Attachment Follows-----

Hello,
I'm the owner of the 2005 BMW X5 on which you've recently show interest. If you are interested in my car you should know that it has never been wrecked or damaged, the car is in excellent condition with a clear title.The car is located in Montana in a warehouse and was posted National for sale in any states in US for a fast sale.The total price that I 'm asking, including shipping and insurance fees will be $9,700USD.All the papers will arrive in the same day whit the car are signet by me and ready to be registred to your name.Right now i'm not in US i have some problems to my home in London UK so i decide to come back and moved here .Because it is a large transaction we will complete the deal only through MoneyBookers.com If you are still interested just send me your full name and shipping address , phone number and I will open a case at MoneyBookers and they will contact you with all the information about our deal. Thank you and if you need more info's about the car feel free to contact me.
Sincerely, Thomas
707.206.7593

Posted by SavedFromScam on September 12, 2008 at 00:10

I buy A car and send the money by moneybooker and they tell me in 24 hours give me the delivery time that was in sep-4-2008 and still not get any information they don't contac me any more is any body can tell me what I can due

Posted by raul on September 12, 2008 at 06:45

Hi there,

> ***VEHICLE LEAD***
>
> The following lead was generated from AutoTrader.com's web site at http://www.autotrader.com. The listing is provided by AutoTrader magazine.
> To view the vehicle, click the link below:
> http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=250502891
>
>
> VEHICLE INFORMATION
> Make: Nissan
> Model: Maxima
> Year: 2000
> Price: 2200
> Mileage: 89781
> Body Style: Sedan
> Color: Black
> Cylinders: 6 Cylinder
> Transmission: Automatic
> Doors: Four Door
> Stereo: Unavailable
> Description: 2000 NISSAN MAXIMA, p/seats, p/mirrors, p/windows, cc, abs, alarm, Power locks Passenger airbag Driver airbag Anti-lock brakes CD player Sunroof , $2200, 734-403-9038
BAD PEOPLE

Posted by raul on September 12, 2008 at 08:31

the two massages I sen is the prof of the people say they sell the maxima 2000 if any body can say what can I due or were I can repor this fraud pleas let me now jus say for ( bimbim) hope somebody stop this people why moneybooker don't due nothing are they participe in this ..................

Posted by RAUL on September 12, 2008 at 08:39

I have had a terrible experience with Moneybookers.
I signed up for an account as I have friends in London and thought it would make life easy on us all if I used Moneybookers. I uploaded about 150$ after going through their CC verification process. of course my CC company would not release the funds until I cleared Moneybookers. so I spent about 100$ or so and then my Money bookers account was locked. They decided they needed a copy of my drivers license or passport and address verification. Well stupidly I sent them images of my DL and Passport. then I went through their Mailing address verification. They send you a letter via snail mail with a code and you log into your account and verify. A good practice in my opinion. While I was waiting for the letter I contacted them and asked what was happening with my locked account that had 50$ held hostage. and they wrote back saying they needed photos of my CC's for verification purposes. At this point in the game I am fed up. I firmly believe they are scam shop. I never went through any of this with PayPal. It's a shame too, I am writing this off as a 50$ mistake. and by the way they won't even let me close my account as there are funds attached. So now I have an open account with funds in the UK with Money they are earning Interest on that I can't touch.

Way to Go SCAMMERS!

Posted by Shawn on September 12, 2008 at 08:51

I also was almost scammed today by the exact deal as I am reading all over this website. As a widowed mother of 2 young boys I would have been devistated to have lost money. The emails I received and responses were verbatum to the ones listed on here.....working in Glascow blah blah blah!!! This one was for a 2004 bmw listed in Autotrader!!! Thank you so much for everyone who had taken time to write on here:)

Posted by abigail smith on September 16, 2008 at 06:13

Almost got had, but thanks to this site, didnt pay, saved my money and glad there are others out here with the EXACT SAME EMAIL I got. HA! I feel very sorry for the others that may not have been so lucky, but thanks all.

Here are my Emails I got:

Hi there,If you are interested in my car you should know that the car is as good as new, it has never been wrecked or damaged,the car is in excelent condition. The total price that I 'm asking for the car including shipping and insurance fees will be $2,520.00CAD. The car is absolutely perfect, it has a clear title, has never been repaired, never been involved in any type of accident or had any paint or body work done! I live in Scotland now, where European specs are different and it costs me too much driving this car legally here and also there is nobody interested in buying it here that's why I am selling it so cheap hoping to find a buyer since the car is located in Vancouver, BC at Moneybookers company. They have the car ready for shipping at one of their deposit. You will have 10 days to test drive it and verify it. If you are not completely satisfied with the car upon inspection you have absolutely no obligation to buy. I would like to use MoneyBookers Shipping Department a third party service to handle this transaction for our both safety and comfort. (they will take care of the shipping/payment).If you are still interested just send me your full name and shipping address and I will open a case and they will contact you with all the informations about our deal. Thank youEdna Gable> edna.gable@gmail.com

Hello again , Thank you for geting back to me in such short notice with the required informations.I want to bring to your atention that any transaction I close is recorded by MoneyBookers, they will insure this transaction and we are protected by MoneyBookers.They already know about this transaction between us, and they must contact you with all the necessary informations you might need about our deal as soon as i will forward them your data's.Due to the strict policies of webmaster SPAM filters, you may not receive the Invoice from MoneyBookers in your Inbox.Please check your 'SPAM' box too from your email address in order to complete the transaction.I will ship it immediately, and it will be delivered to you in max 3 days.After you receive the car you will have 10 days to test drive it and verify it. If you are not completely satisfied with the car upon inspection you have absolutely no obligation to buy. Let me know after you will receive the Invoice from MoneyBookers.Thank you for your time and kindness.Edna Gable

Seller's Details:

First Name: Edna
Last Name: Gable Address: 23 Lake Road
City: Glasgow
State: Scotland Zip Code: G1 4NR Country: United Kingdom

Shipment Information:

Service: Handled by:

MoneyBookers - OnlineMoneyBookers - United States

Guaranteed delivery:

3 days after payment confirmation

Declared Value: Commercial Value: Days for Inspection:

CAD 2,520.00No Commercial Value10 days

Description of Goods:

1999 Bmw 323i

Additional Services:

None

Status of Inspection:

Pending

Shipping:

USD 0.00

*Note: Shipping expenses are covered by Seller.
Shipment Information:

Package 1 of 1

Tracking Number:

Pending*

Package Type:

MoneyBookers Insured

Insured MoneyBookers Amount: Insured MoneyBookers Deposit: Insured MoneyBookers Remaining Balance:

CAD 2,520.00CAD 2,520.00 (100%)CAD 0,000.00
The escrow process for the completion of a transaction (purchase or sale) through Internet can be done in five simple steps: 1. The buyer and the seller agree to the terms and details of the transaction. 2. The buyer sends the safe deposit to MoneyBookers verified agent. Payment is verified and deposited into a trust account. 3. MoneyBookers ships the merchandise to the buyer, knowing that the buyer's payment is secured. 4. The buyer accepts the merchandise after having the opportunity to inspect it. 5. MoneyBookers pays the seller after all conditions of the transaction are met.

How to make the payment:

Our department require the payment to be done through WesternUnion money transfer service to our Verified Agent :

1) Click HERE to locate the nearest WesternUnion Office.
2) Make the payment for the deposit with cash using our verified MoneyBookers Agent details as receiver:

MoneyBookers Verified Agent Details:
Name: Michelle Soares
Street: 211 Parade Street City: Angus

State: Scotland
Zip Code: DD8 3AE Country: United Kingdom
3) Fax the WesternUnion receipt at the following fax # : +1 (954) 208-2552

- E--mail us - by replying to this e-mail - the following details from the payment receipt:
- MTCN - 10 digits number from the receipt
- Sender Name and Address
- Receiver Name (MoneyBookers Agent)
- Amount Sent

Please do not make any marks on the transfer copy. The following information must be readable

Once the payment is done and the verification is complete, we will proceed with the shipping of the package. We will inform the Seller that the payment was sent and that the package was shipped as soon as we get the payment confirmation. Just follow the instructions above.

4 - Step Trust Process for MoneyBookers.

1. Buyer send payments to us.The Buyer submits a Deposit of 2,520$ selecting WesternUnion service to MoneyBookers verified agent in United Kingdom.
MoneyBookers verifies the payment. The Seller does not get paid until the buyer accepts the merchandise or the inspection period expires.

2.Delivery is started.
The company will ship the merchandise , you will receive the tracking number, bill of sale and bill of lading , all that
are copy, the original will come along with the merchandise and all the documents.3. The Inspections of the merchandise.The Buyer has a set number of days (10 days) to inspect the merchandise, to accept it, reject it or claim non-delivery. In case that the merchendise is not as described by the seller, the buyer will get a full refund. Funds will not be released to the Seller until the buyer has received and approved the items he is purchasing. This eliminates the concern for non-shipment of goods.
4. Seller is paid transaction ends.The payment is released to the seller. The transaction is complete.

Please respond to this email with information regarding your case, complaints or payment details.
Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department) MoneyBookers.

Thank you for taking time to e-mail us!

You are involved in MoneyBookers Escrow Transaction #MB01008733 with Edna Gable regarding the purchase of a 1999 BMW 323i, VIN: WBAAM3335XFP56962.
We shall wait for your email or fax at +1 (954) 208-2552 with the payment details, so we can proceed with the delivery. For any information you desire please e-mail us and we will be more than pleased to answer all your questions. Thank you again for your time!

Sincerely,

MoneyBookers Financial Department

Thank you for taking time to e-mail us!

Details:
Year: 1999 Make: BMW Model: 323i VIN: WBAAM3335XFP56962 KM: 95,038 Transmission: Automatic Engine: 6 - Cyl. 2.5 L Exterior Color: Black Interior Color: Tan Body Style: Sedan Title Status: Clear One owner Options:
AM/FM Stereo, Adjustable Steering Wheel, Air Conditioning, CD Player, Center Arm, Rest Climate Control, Clock Compass/Temp Guage, Coolant Temp. Gauge, Courtesy Lights, Cruise Control,Cup Holders, Floor Mats ,Inside Hood Release, Keyless Entry ,Leather Steering Wheel ,Leather Upholstery, Map Light, Memory Seat (s) , Multi Disc CD changer , Power Door Locks , Power Drivers Seat ,Power Lumbar Support, Power Mirrors, Power Passenger Seat, Power Steering etc.

Sincerely,

MoneyBookers Financial Department

Thank you for taking time to e-mail us!

Our department require the payment to be done through Western Union money transfer service. You have to pay with cash at any Western Union Office.

Payment Details: To enjoy the purchase protection, you must send the payment by the insured payment method below. Sending the payment by any other method of payment will void this transaction and your right to refund. The payment details are confidential and will not be released under any circumstances. Our customer chosed this payment method in order to speed up the transaction. MoneyBookers Services security measures are constantly reviewed and modified given evolving circumstances globally, drawing on both internal assessments and the support of government agencies. Our constant priority is for the safety of our people, our customers, and the general public.

Sincerely,

MoneyBookers Financial Department

Posted by Nautalis - SCAM - Detailed!! on September 19, 2008 at 00:31

Here are my Emails I got:

Hi there,If you are interested in my car you should know that the car is as good as new, it has never been wrecked or damaged,the car is in excelent condition. The total price that I 'm asking for the car including shipping and insurance fees will be $2,520.00CAD. The car is absolutely perfect, it has a clear title, has never been repaired, never been involved in any type of accident or had any paint or body work done! I live in Scotland now, where European specs are different and it costs me too much driving this car legally here and also there is nobody interested in buying it here that's why I am selling it so cheap hoping to find a buyer since the car is located in Vancouver, BC at Moneybookers company. They have the car ready for shipping at one of their deposit. You will have 10 days to test drive it and verify it. If you are not completely satisfied with the car upon inspection you have absolutely no obligation to buy. I would like to use MoneyBookers Shipping Department a third party service to handle this transaction for our both safety and comfort. (they will take care of the shipping/payment).If you are still interested just send me your full name and shipping address and I will open a case and they will contact you with all the informations about our deal. Thank youEdna Gable> edna.gable@gmail.com

Seller's Details:

First Name: Edna
Last Name: Gable Address: 23 Lake Road
City: Glasgow
State: Scotland Zip Code: G1 4NR Country: United Kingdom

Shipment Information:

Service: Handled by:

MoneyBookers - OnlineMoneyBookers - United States

Guaranteed delivery:

3 days after payment confirmation

Declared Value: Commercial Value: Days for Inspection:

CAD 2,520.00No Commercial Value10 days

Description of Goods:

1999 Bmw 323i

Additional Services:

None

Status of Inspection:

Pending

Shipping:

USD 0.00

*Note: Shipping expenses are covered by Seller.
Shipment Information:

Package 1 of 1

Tracking Number:

Pending*

Package Type:

MoneyBookers Insured

Insured MoneyBookers Amount: Insured MoneyBookers Deposit: Insured MoneyBookers Remaining Balance:

How to make the payment:

Our department require the payment to be done through WesternUnion money transfer service to our Verified Agent :

1) Click HERE to locate the nearest WesternUnion Office.
2) Make the payment for the deposit with cash using our verified MoneyBookers Agent details as receiver:

MoneyBookers Verified Agent Details:
Name: Michelle Soares
Street: 211 Parade Street City: Angus

State: Scotland
Zip Code: DD8 3AE Country: United Kingdom
3) Fax the WesternUnion receipt at the following fax # : +1 (954) 208-2552

Please do not make any marks on the transfer copy. The following information must be readable

4 - Step Trust Process for MoneyBookers.

Please respond to this email with information regarding your case, complaints or payment details.
Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department) MoneyBookers.

Thank you for taking time to e-mail us!

Sincerely,

MoneyBookers Financial Department

Thank you for taking time to e-mail us!

Sincerely,

MoneyBookers Financial Department

Thank you for taking time to e-mail us!

Our department require the payment to be done through Western Union money transfer service. You have to pay with cash at any Western Union Office.

Sincerely,

MoneyBookers Financial Department

Posted by Nautalis - SCAM - Detailed!! on September 19, 2008 at 00:32

I also did a carfax check

The car exists! but its not for sale, which was how I knew it was a scam. Also it had been in 2 accidents, so again, do your research! I paid $30 for carfax and saved $2500!!

Cheers All

Posted by Nautalis - SCAM - Detailed!! on September 19, 2008 at 00:44

same ad in athens ga. glad you people posted ads. I would love to ship the 1999 bmw i almost bought up someones ass.in the uk

Posted by opey on September 19, 2008 at 13:03

Well, this blog (provided by a close friend of mine that I will give a BIG thank you to) has just saved us a bunch of money!

Through an auto trader ad, we were just about to buy a tractor backhoe. Interestingly, the e-mails we have received on our inquiry are 'cut and paste' of the ones above, regarding condition of the unit, location (in BC), the seller being out the of country (Europe) and needing to go through MB, a perfectly reliable service.

So for anyone interested in either a John Deere tractor listed in the recent trader (contact e-mail joannewwright@yahoo.ca), or a Kubota tractor (contact e-mail martha.hoffman@live.com), I would suggest against it!!

Posted by Nora on September 20, 2008 at 01:43

Hi All,
Has anyone heard of or ? It is apparently a business, or whatever, fundraising vehicle to raise money for business or debts or charity...buying and selling webspace but they want to use "MoneyBookers.com" for the funds transfers.....is this safe and has anyone used them before? Are they legitimate (MoneyBookers, Bedzzz Inn and Fundraiser 1.0)?
We nearly went through MB after purchasing $15 worth of webspace from Funraisers 1.0 to raise money to pay our debts and to afford to see my husband's dying brother before he passes away....maybe it loooks like we have to do something different! Please help us with this enquiry.
Thanking you in advance :)

Posted by Marie-D on September 23, 2008 at 10:14

My first sentence before, in my previous post was suppose to be...has anyone heard of Fundraiser 1.0 or Bedzzz Inn ...where they also use MoneyBookers and AlertPay....it somehow didn't show up. Sorry.

Posted by Marie-D on September 23, 2008 at 14:45

m glad I found this site to...My experience is as follows....Found a beautiful Chapparal boat on Kijiji.ca worth about $45,000 being sold for $4,500 LOL...Here are the responces from the guy.
Hi,
I know that you have many choices on Kijiji and I appreciate that you contacted me.
The boat is in a perfect condition, 100% original and the engine works great. Like you already have seen in the pictures, no scratches, no rust, no damages, no hidden defects. I sell it so cheap because I just moved from Canada.The boat is still registered there. Those are the reasons why I'm selling it for $4,600.00 including the shipping and insurance charges. All documents and the notarized bill of sale will be provided along with the boat.
The transaction will be made under an escrow company called Moneybookers.
I'm a serious seller and a fair trader and I prefer to deal only with a serious buyer. If you consider yourself one please e-mail me back so we can start our deal.

Thank you!

2nd after I told him I wasn't sending money until I saw the boat...
Hello again,

The boat is in Vancouver crated and ready to be shipped. I work at 1st Move International Ltd and I will ship it on my own expense. I moved with my job to Oslo, Norway.
Moneybookers is an escrow company. They will secure your deposit. Practically you don't send me any money up front. Your deposit is verified and deposited into a trust account and this way I can't take the money until you receive and inspect the boat. You will have 5 days to inspect it.
If the boat isn't like I advertised it, you can say that you don't buy it, and it will be shipped back at my own expense and you will be completely refund.
If you are still interested please send me your full details and I will open a transaction case at Moneybookers.

My best wishes and I'm waiting your response so we can move forward with this deal.

I am going to tell him that I live in Vancouver and see if I can go take a look at the boat...I will post the response

Posted by timsmish on September 23, 2008 at 21:50

Hello....just yesterday I narrowly escaped being scammed in exactly the same way as all the folks responding to automobile ads mentioned in previous emails. I was purchasing a laptop advertised on Craigs List. It really has nothing to do with Moneybookers; I think they are in fact a legitimate company similar to PayPal. And I don't imagine they have a warehouse! Mainly the scammers are trying to get you to wire them cash via Western Union, which you can never get back.
As is warned on Craigs List and on EBay...NEVER wire cash via Western Union for a purchase.
It was in fact a Western Union operator who told me to NOT wire the money! I feel like an angel was watching me yesterday. Since then I have seen many websites with postings about these schemes, all with virtually the same letter. Not very creative, I must say!

Posted by Annie W on September 25, 2008 at 08:11

Thanks to this thread I found out that I was the target of a scam. I am offered a Honda Element for $7800 to be paid through ClickandBay, a service similar to Paypal. A telephone number in the email +1.707.206.7593 led me to this site.

Needless to say that I will not pursue the transaction!

Posted by Kees on September 29, 2008 at 08:14

Sorry for the misspelling ClickandBay should be ClickAndBuy.

Posted by Kees on September 29, 2008 at 08:17

I thought this deal was too good to be true and based on the email I was even more suspicious. I did a google search and found this site. I can't believe this stuff is slipping through.

Peter Singh to me

Hi,

There are 690 miles on it, the quad is in great condition, it has been properly maintained, never been abused in any way. It has clear title and the price I'm selling it for is $2500 which is including all the shipping charges.
I live in Austin and I work for Feed The Children, if you would like to checkout our website to give you some peace . The website is www.feedthechildren.org it is a mission organization , i left the country with a mission in UK , i raise founds in local churches to buy food , clothes and medicament's so we can help the children's in our missions from poor countries.
Anyway, there shouldn't be any problem, because I am using MoneyBookers services so I can sell the quad without difficulty.
I left the quad at their warehouse (in US) before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery. There's a 14 days return policy so you will have the chance to test, inspect and ride it before final decision.
So if you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.

I am waiting your email.

Thanks

Posted by Chowell on September 29, 2008 at 22:50

here is the link to the Craigslist ad
http://austin.craigslist.org/rvs/811859454.html

Posted by CHowell on September 29, 2008 at 22:56

More emails from him. I am going to tell him that my dad lives in Lake Charles and will go down there to check it out. I'll let you know whathe says.

here is the follow up email from Peter

"Hi ,

The quad is stored in Lake Charles (at MoneyBookers official location). When i handed the quad to MoneyBookers i mentioned that it's available only for delivery to the address i will forward them , i also paid all the shipping charges.
If you want to purchase it, let me explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can proceed:
To start the official transaction, I need your full name and shipping address.
As soon as I receive your info, I will forward it to MoneyBookers, they will start the transaction and notify you with all the instructions (payment, shipping, my account status etc.) One of their agents will be assigned to handle the payment. You will have a 14-day return policy, so you will have the chance to test and inspect the quad and decide either you keep it or not. If you decide to keep it, they have the power of attorney so they will transfer the title into your name and release me the funds, if not they will be responsible for the return shipping and you will have a complete refund within 3 days.
Anyway, they will explain you detailed the entire process.

I am waiting your email.

Thanks"

Posted by Chowell on September 30, 2008 at 00:49

Pending Delivery Shipment
(Keep this for your records)

Transaction #MB01004577 Transaction Date: October 02, 2008

Seller's Details:
First Name: Corey
Last Name: Slager
Address: 3241 Clyde Street City/State: Glasgow - Scotland City Code: G1 4NR
Country: United Kingdom
Shipment Information: Service:
Handled by: Moneybookers- Online
Moneybookers- United States
Guaranteed delivery:

3 days after payment confirmation
Declared Value:
Commercial Value:
Days for Inspection: USD 2,230.00
No Commercial Value
10 days upon the delivery

Description of Goods: 2000 Volkswagen Jetta

Additional Services: None
Status of Inspection:
Pending

Shipping: USD 0.00

*Note: Shipping expenses are covered by Seller.

Shipment Information:

Package 1 of 1
Tracking Number: Pending*
Package Type: Moneybookers Insured

Insured Moneybookers Amount:
Insured Moneybookers Downpayment:
Insured Moneybookers Remaining Balance:
USD 2,230.00
USD 2,230.00 (100%)
USD 0,000.00

The escrow process for the completion of a transaction (purchase or sale) through Internet can be done in five simple steps:
1. The buyer and the seller agree to the terms and details of the transaction.
2. The buyer sends the safe deposit to Moneybookers verified representative. Payment is verified and deposited into a trust account.
3. Moneybookers ships the merchandise to the buyer, knowing that the buyer's payment is secured.
4. The buyer accepts the merchandise after having the opportunity to inspect it.
5. Moneybookers pays the seller after all conditions of the transaction are met.

How to make the payment:

Our department require the payment to be done through WesternUnion money transfer service to our Verified Agent :

1) Click HERE to locate the nearest Western Union Office.2) Make the payment for the deposit using our verified Moneybookers Representative details as receiver: MoneyBookers Verified Agent Details:
Name: Brenda Vengas
Street: 11-14 Broad St.
City: Aberdeen State: Scotland Zip Code: AB11 5TU
Country: United Kingdom
3) Fax the Western Union receipt at the following fax # : +1 (954) 208-2552 Or e-mail us - by replying to this e-mail - the following details from the payment receipt:
- MTCN - 10 digits number from the receipt - Sender's Name and Address - Receiver's Name (MoneyBookers Agent) - Amount Sent

Sales Hotline

Please do not make any marks on the transfer copy. The following information must be readable Once the payment is done and the verification is complete, we will proceed with the shipping of the package. We will inform the Seller that the payment was sent and that the package was shipped as soon as we get the payment confirmation. Just follow the instructions above.
4 - Step Trust Process for Moneybookers
1. Buyer send payments to us.
The Buyer submits the required deposit selecting Western Union service to Moneybookers verified representative in charge.Moneybookers verifies the payment. The Seller does not get paid until the buyer accepts the merchandise or the inspection period expires. 2.Delivery is started.The company will ship the merchandise, you will receive the Bill of Sale and Bill of Lading, Title along with the merchandise.
3. The Inspections of the merchandise.
The Buyer has a set number of days (10 days) to inspect the merchandise, to accept it, reject it or claim non-delivery. In case that the merchendise is not as described by the seller, the buyer will get a full refund. Funds will not be released to the Seller until the buyer has received and approved the items he is purchasing. This eliminates the concern for non-shipment of goods.
4. Seller is paid transaction ends.The payment is released to the seller. The transaction is complete. Please respond to this email with information regarding your case, complaints or payment details. Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department) Moneybookers.

All contents ?1999-2008 by Moneybookers Ltd

Posted by Thomas on October 3, 2008 at 02:37

2001 Yamaha R6 (Bartlett,TN)
This bike is extreemely clean and has always been garage kept. I purchased the bike new in 01. It's never been up on one wheel or laid down. Only a few modifications:
Dark smoke Lockhart Phillips Euro windscreen
Two Brother Racing pipe (polished alunminum,C2 oval slip-on) added roughly 10hp
Yamaha R6 tank pad
Brand spanking new tires (Bridgestone BattleAx)
3 Japanese kanji decals. Translation "Dragon".
I'll also include:
Redline stands (front and rear)
2 Joe Rocket jackets (Ballistic for cooler weather, and Pheonix 4.0 for warmer weather).
Color-Blue/Black
Both with CE armor (back/shoulders/forearm/elbows)
Joe Rocket back pack (Blue/Black)
Battery Tender
Nelson-Riggs UV-2000 stretch cover
Alpinestar gloves (black)
All service records
Owners Manual

Email response from him:
Hi,
There are 11370 miles on it, the bike is still available, it's in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been laid down or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $3000, which is including all charges.
I used to live in Bartlett but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be moving here permanently within the next few months and I can`t afford the luxury of taking the bike with me so I decided to let it go.
I`m using a third party company called MoneyBookers LTD. to sell this bike, I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They are supervising the entire sale process from payment, shipping with a 14-day inspection period, returns (if needed) and refunding.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I will be waiting your email.
Thanks

Glad I found this forum I knew something was up when he said he was now in the UK.

Posted by Logan on October 7, 2008 at 23:25

I'm glad too that I checked into this some more!! Beware of these ads, if it sounds too good to be true than it is!

Here is an other ad on kijiji.ca:

Street address: 231 street, London, P2A 1B4 View map
Location: London, Ontario
Date Listed: 06-Oct-08

93,108 km Automatic 4 CYLINDERS 1.9 Liters Silver Black EMAIL : patriciacooper05@hotmail.com

Interior CD Player Center Arm Rest Center Console Clock Cloth Upholstery Cruise Control Cup Holders Digital Clock Front Bucket Seats Inside Hood Release Interval Wipers Keyless Entry Power Door Locks Power Mirrors Power Steering Power Windows Remote Trunk Lid Tachometer Trip Odometer Exterior Heated Mirrors Moonroof Power Glass Sunroof Power Sunroof Safety Air Bags Drivetrain Automatic Transmission Diesel Engine Front Wheel Drive Turbo Diesel Engine Other Inline Style Engine

And her email response:

From: patriciacooper05@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Reply to your "2002 Volkswagen Jetta Automatic" Ad
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 06:25:17 -0700

Hi there,

If you are still interested just send me your full name and shipping address and I will open a case and they will contact you with all the informations about our deal.

Thank you
Patricia Cooper

With the fake moneybookers escrow instructing me to send money by Western Union:

Home Faq
moneybookers.commoneybookers.com
Escrow Service

Escrow Transaction #MB01004577 - Pending

Pending Delivery Shipment
(Keep this for your records)

Transaction #MB01004577
Transaction Date: October 07, 2008

Seller's Details:
First Name: Patricia
Last Name: Cooper
Address: 23 Lake Road
City: Glasgow
State: Scotland
Zip Code: G1 4NR
Country: United Kingdom

Shipment Information:

Service:
Handled by: MoneyBookers - Online
MoneyBookers - United States
Guaranteed delivery:

3 days after payment confirmation
Declared Value:
Commercial Value:
Days for Inspection: CAD 3,520.00
No Commercial Value
10 days

Description of Goods: 2002 Volkswagen Jetta

Additional Services: None
Status of Inspection:
Pending

Shipping: USD 0.00
*Note: Shipping expenses are covered by Seller.

Shipment Information:

Package 1 of 1

Tracking Number:

Pending*
Package Type:

MoneyBookers Insured

Insured MoneyBookers Amount:
Insured MoneyBookers Deposit:
Insured MoneyBookers Remaining Balance:
CAD 3,520.00
CAD 1,760.00 (50%)
CAD 1,760.00 (50%)

The escrow process for the completion of a transaction (purchase or sale) through Internet can be done in five simple steps:

1. The buyer and the seller agree to the terms and details of the transaction.
2. The buyer sends the safe deposit to MoneyBookers verified agent. Payment is verified and deposited into a trust account.
3. MoneyBookers ships the merchandise to the buyer, knowing that the buyer's payment is secured.
4. The buyer accepts the merchandise after having the opportunity to inspect it.
5. MoneyBookers pays the seller after all conditions of the transaction are met.

How to make the payment:

Western Union Home

Our department require the payment to be done through WesternUnion money transfer service to our Verified Agent :

1) Click HERE to locate the nearest WesternUnion Office.
2) Make the payment for the deposit with cash using our verified MoneyBookers Agent details as receiver:

MoneyBookers Verified Agent Details:

Name: Kent Simpson
Street: 11-14 Broad St.
City: Aberdeen
State: Scotland
Zip Code: AB11 5TU
Country: United Kingdom

3) Fax the WesternUnion receipt at the following fax # : +1 (954) 208-2552

- E--mail us - by replying to this e-mail - the following details from the payment receipt:

- MTCN - 10 digits number from the receipt
- Sender Name and Address
- Receiver Name (MoneyBookers Agent)
- Amount Sent

To avoid WesternUnion fees you will have to declare at the WesternUnion office that the money will be sent for a relative or friend (the transfer commission will be smaller 3~5%). For online payments, you could pay 10~12% transfer commission.

Please do not make any marks on the transfer copy. The following information must be readable
Once the payment is done and the verification is complete, we will proceed with the shipping of the package. We will inform the Seller that the payment was sent and that the package was shipped as soon as we get the payment confirmation. Just follow the instructions above.
4 - Step Trust Process for MoneyBookers.

1. Buyer send payments to us.
The Buyer submits a Deposit of 1,760$ selecting WesternUnion service to MoneyBookers verified agent in United Kingdom.
MoneyBookers verifies the payment. The Seller does not get paid until the buyer accepts the merchandise or the inspection period expires.

2.Delivery is started.
The company will ship the merchandise , you will receive the tracking number, bill of sale and bill of lading , all that
are copy, the original will come along with the merchandise and all the documents.

3. The Inspections of the merchandise.
The Buyer has a set number of days (10 days) to inspect the merchandise, to accept it, reject it or claim non-delivery. In case that the merchendise is not as described by the seller, the buyer will get a full refund. Funds will not be released to the Seller until the buyer has received and approved the items he is purchasing. This eliminates the concern for non-shipment of goods.

4. Seller is paid transaction ends.
The payment is released to the seller. The transaction is complete.

Please respond to this email with information regarding your case, complaints or payment details.
Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department) MoneyBookers.
moneybookers.com
All contents 1999-2008 by Moneybookers Ltd.
All Rights Reserved.

Maybe it is not moneybookers who is to blame, but they should take steps to protect their image if they are ligit!!

Posted by MrL on October 8, 2008 at 12:01

I fell for the same scam - I wished I would've found this site sooner.. Western Union was just sent
- any ideas how to stop all this

Posted by Pam on October 8, 2008 at 12:39

I fell for the same scam - I wished I would've found this site sooner.. Western Union was just sent
- any ideas how to stop all this

Posted by Pam on October 8, 2008 at 12:39

I'm a 16 year old looking for his first car. and i found this vw jetta on autotrader.com for such a cheap price, and i almost gave in...

Thank you for geting back to me in such short notice with the required informations.
I want to bring to your atention that any transaction I close is recorded by MoneyBookers, they will insure this transaction and we are protected by MoneyBookers.They already know about this transaction between us, and they must contact you with all the necessary informations you might need about our deal as soon as i will forward them your data's.Due to the strict policies of webmaster SPAM filters, you may not receive the Invoice from MoneyBookers in your Inbox.Please check your 'SPAM' box too from your email address in order to complete the transaction.
I will ship it immediately, and it will be delivered to you in max 3 days.
After you receive the car you will have 10 days to test drive it and verify it. If you are not completely satisfied with the car upon inspection you have absolutely no obligation to buy.

Let me know after you will receive the Invoice from MoneyBookers.
Thank you for your time and kindness.
Corey Slager

Posted by Cody on October 14, 2008 at 10:07

Thanks for this! my husband and I almost fell into this trap. We thought since it was going into escrow we'd be safe. I'm so glad I looked into it further!
Here's what I got from the scammer!

Hi there,
Thank you for your interest in my 2005 Yamaha Rhino 660 4WD with Plow. The tractor is in excellent condition. I am located in Columbus, OH and I will ship it from here on my expense through USHIP. The price for the tractor is $3,500 US with no extra fees or taxes. The transaction will be handled securely through Money Bookers. They will handle the financial part of this transaction. I am passing through a divorce with my husband and I have to sell it. If you are interested in the purchase, please get back to me so we can move forward.

Thank you,
Barbara Ulmens

Posted by alisha on October 17, 2008 at 05:05

Ok, you folks are hugely not understanding these
people. The are stealing your identity! There is a big scam that is taking peoples money with nothing to show for it in return. One such deal is with cars. They tell you to send money to moneybookers.com and that is the last time you see your hard earned cash. My advise, DON'T USE THEM TO PAY FOR ANYTHING!!!

Steve

Posted by Steve on October 19, 2008 at 00:06

WOW!
2006 HARLEY-DAVIDSON $4,400
WAS THE KIJIJI AD.
SEND MONEYGRAM TO KEVIN,
IN LONDON

WHAT BULLSHIT !!!
CAN`T E-MAIL MONEYBOOKERS(ASSHOLES)

Posted by ALMOST on October 23, 2008 at 06:40

was trying to purchase honda atv that was on graigs list. same infor was given, lived in DC but now in UK for 7 months on & on. Was sent informatio about sending $$$ to money bookers agent with wstern union. Check out the e-mail address they use end with -inc.com. I sent money bookers e-mail and was told that this was not their address and they don't ship, store or take any payments from western union. The name this ass hole is using is Todd Proulx & his infamous agent is Jeremiah Pierson. called local authorities and they are looking into it since many people have been scammed. Be careful son't send any money local or overseas to someone you don't know. just hopping they catch these aholes

Posted by roy on October 28, 2008 at 04:24

OK Guys

Another Scam in the works its called the Nigerian 419 scam

1. You post an ad to rent out a room/Apt and they respond back asking for your name, will give you a huge check like $3500, you cash it and send the rest back so they can use it to travel and move once they secured a place.

What they really do: they send you a bogus check, you cash it, send real money back, your bank calls a few days later, it bounced, you are responsible for the whole amount!

2. They post a place for you to rent, usually an upscale place at an incredible rent, they want to verifiy you have the funds to pay, BUT ask you western Union a RELATIVE! Then ask for a copy of the Western Union receipt.

Whats really going on: When they get a copy of your western union receipt they go to WU and use the tracking code and pretend they are your relative. Youre out of money!

So be aware western union in any transaction is risky and once they have the money you cant track it!

Cheers all and safe holidays

Scam Cracker

Posted by Nautalis - SCAM - -Renters Scam -Detailed!! on November 12, 2008 at 10:15

here we go

2002 Harley for $2,600.00

what a lier

Posted by thomas on November 21, 2008 at 00:43

I don't know Moneybookers but someone here said "stick with the giants like paypal".
If you think Moneybookers sucks then paypal is the devil himself.
Go into one of these websites and you'll see.

http://www.paypalwarning.com/
http://www.paypalsucks.com/

Posted by Daniel on November 26, 2008 at 22:53

I recently was instructed by SpecialPhones.com to use money brokers to purchase some really cool phones. Moneybookers requested information that I was not willing to give online. I sent them a mail with my bankers info and told them to verify with my bankers.

Weeks passed and inquiries to SpecialPhones revealed that they were told that my transaction with them was probably fraudalent and they should not ship the goods. Yet still Moneybookers took the money from my account. All efforts to contact them has proved futile and they are not answering my mails.

What is my recourse? Should I contact the FBI about this scam. I refuse to lose money to these crooks!!!!

Has anyone done anything about them, how do I make a complaint to have them investigated and get my money back?

Posted by Vickie on November 28, 2008 at 01:07

----- Original Message -----
From: kathy4344@comcast.net
To: "Kerensa Taylor"
Subject: Re: 2006 Land Rover Range Rover Sport Supercharged
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:57:21 +0000 (UTC)

Hello again,

Here is how it works if you have never used Moneybookers.
I need your full name and your shipping address so I can initiate the transaction with Moneybookers. They will contact
you with further details regarding the payment and the shipping process. You have to submit the payment to Moneybookers,
they will confirm it and the shipping will be started. You will have a 5 days period for inspection from the moment the car arrives before you confirm the
deal and Moneybookers forwards the payment to me or you can cancel the deal and you will get your money back.
Basically Moneybookers holds your money until you confirm that the car is what you have expected and you want to
buy it. It is not a sight unseen deal.
On the other hand I can ship the car knowing that Moneybookers has your money and you wont dissapear with my car.
We are both covered.
Sorry for the long emails I have tried to explain the entire process.

Thank you,
Kathy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerensa Taylor"
To: kathy4344@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:41:56 PM GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul
Subject: Re: 2006 Land Rover Range Rover Sport Supercharged

Hello,
How can we contact either you or the person that is serving as your agent for this car? Who is our contact at Moneybookers? Please advise what is our next step, we are eager to take possession of the car ASAP? Also, would we ship the car at our expense from Jerome, MI or is there someone that is willing to drive it to Texas?

"Bitter are the tears of a child: Sweeten them.
Deep are the thoughts of a child: Quiet them.
Sharp is the grief of a child: Take it from them.
Soft is the heart of a child: Do not harden it."
-PAMELA GLENCONNER

Kerensa Taylor, MSW, LCPA
Executive Director

----- Original Message -----
From: kathy4344@comcast.net
To: "Kerensa Taylor"
Subject: Re: 2006 Land Rover Range Rover Sport Supercharged
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:29:40 +0000 (UTC)

Hello,

Sorry for the late response but I have just arrived in Dublin, Ireland. I wanted to let you know
that the car is still available for $23000, I had a buyer but his loan did not get approved. It is in
great condition inside, outside and mechanically, never involved in any accidents, clear title. The
car is in Jerome, MI and the transaction will be made under an escrow company called Moneybookers.
Let me know if you have any questions. If you are still interested please let me know asap.

Thank you,
Kathy Forrest

Posted by Kerensa Taylor on December 15, 2008 at 04:39

THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE THROWN IN JAIL!
Please don't fall for the line of crap they are selling! Funny, they want 30% for this car that they are going to deliver to me 3-5 days later?? Almost had me. What happened to the honest people in the world? DONT FALL FOR IT!!!

Posted by almost on January 19, 2009 at 07:31

Are you people idiots? What the hells is wrong with you? These are scams, you can't give that info over email to a company you don't know. If you lost any money at all its your own fault for falling for such obvious scams!

Posted by mo on January 22, 2009 at 04:14

My daughter found a 2001 honda on sellmycar.com. They wanted $2600 and said the car was in Fort Worth, Texas. According to the email I received from Elena Watson she is in Scotland and the car is in Provo. Utah. She wanted me to send the money through moneybookers.com.

My husband already had concerns about the car because of it's low price, low mileage and the claim it had never been raced or abused even though it clearly was decked out for racing

Bottom line TOTAL SCAM and I will not be sending any money let someone in Provo buy it.

Posted by traci west on January 25, 2009 at 02:16

RE: 2001 Honda Civic On SellMyCar
From: Diana Weller (diana.weller@hotmail.com)
You may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as unsafe
Sent: Mon 2/16/09 8:23 AM

Hi there,

The car is in perfect working condition, it doesn't have any dents, chips or scratches and the interior is in like new condition, never smoked in.
All the maintenance done on a regular basis and I have all the service records for it. It's accident-free and has a clean and clear title.
The total price that I 'm asking for the car including shipping will be $1,900.00. I am selling it so cheap hoping to find a buyer since the car is located in Provo, UT at MoneyBookers and I live in Scotland. I would like to use MoneyBookers Shipping Department a third party service to handle this transaction for our both safety and comfort. (they will take care of the shipping/payment).

If you are still interested just send me your full name and shipping address, phone# and I will open a case and they will contact you with all the informations about our deal.

Thank you
Diana

Posted by scam on February 16, 2009 at 19:54

Hey Traci, I got an e-mail for that exact same car...I'm glad i did my research and found this site and many others.

Posted by scam on February 16, 2009 at 19:56

HOLY COW!!!

Diana, I have received the EXACT same email almost verbatim about a 1999 Mercedes Benz.

And when I tried to send a Fraud Alert email to the sellmycar site, it would not allow it to go through saying my email was invalid!!!

I googled Moneybook and was disturbed by the fact that they are located in the U.K. but their mailing address is listed as Brookyn, NY yet their fax number is listed in Washington State.

I'm glad I came across this page and everyone's comments. It saved me from making a huge and what undoubtedly would have been a costly mistake.

Posted by CW on March 4, 2009 at 05:06

Looks like they have moved onto selling cameras. Nikon lens with free camera for $A1600 advertised on Australian site Gumtree. Want me to send the money to:

Seller Details:
First Name:Jules
Last Name:Tison
Street:96 Mount Street
City:London
Zip code:
W1Y 5HG
Country:United Kingdom
MoneyBookers Agent Details:
You have to send the payment to:
First Name:Christian
Last Name:Brown
Street:180 Brockley Road
City: London
Zip code:SE4 2RR
Country:United Kingdom

There is no way I would send money to private individuals via Moneybookers. Getting in touch with Australian Consumer Affairs Office today to report this. Hopefully they will get in touch with their UK conterparts to stop this little organisation.

Posted by Near caught on March 9, 2009 at 09:10

Thank goodness for google, which helped me find this post. Though not buying a car, I thought I would add in case anyone does a search for this camera being sold also through gumtree as poster above...

http://sydney.gumtree.com.au/c-Stuff-for-Sale-video-camera-digital-camera-CANON-EOS-1D-MARK-II-8-2MP-DIGITAL-SLR-CAMERA-BODY-W0QQAdIdZ110835487

"The camera is in exceptional cosmetic and working condition,it has has approximately 30 hours of use, no scratches.It was purchased 5 months ago and is under Canon Warranty.My selling price is $1500 which includes the shipping taxes and the insurance.The camera is in Melbourne (at MoneyBookers official location) because i am with work in London,UK for the next approximately 3 months and i am using MoneyBookers services so I can have the camera sold without difficulty.If you are interested the deal will go strictly according to MoneyBookers rules and policy.To start the official transaction, I need to know your full name and shipping details. As soon as I have this information, I will forward your details to MoneyBookers and they will notify you with all you need to know about our transaction. You'll also receive important guidelines + instructions from MoneyBookers regarding our transaction. You will have 14 days return policy, so you will have the chance to inspect the camera and decide either you keep it or not. If you decide to keep it, they have the power of attorney so they will transfer warranty into your name and release me the funds, if not, they will be responsible for the return shipping and you will have a complete refund within 3 days.I will wait for your reply.

Kind regards.
Nicolas Devere"

change a few details & it would be the same response to the car ads!

Posted by Kari on March 14, 2009 at 09:48

Thank you for all these info. I was looking for a car in the Sellmycar website and found a 2001 Lexus IS 300. After inquyring about it I received an e-mail from a Janice Gunter who lives in Scottland and wanted to use MoneyBookers for safety and because the car was in Provo, UT. That made me suspicios because I received the e-mail at about 1am and because when I first looked for the car I found it in Los Angeles.
Thank you again!
Sincerely,

An almost caught buyer
Sandra

Posted by Sandra on March 15, 2009 at 00:49

The following is another one:

Hello,

Thank you for your inquiry regarding my car.
Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Afghanistan right now and I've been very busy.
The total price of the 2007 Lexus IS 350 is $8,000CDN FIRM! I don't do trades and i will not negotiate the price.
I want to keep the car for me but I left in the military for a 3 years contract, so I decided to sell it.
A few words about the car:
- 2007 Lexus IS 350
- X-Package ( Sport tuned suspension, X-package 18" alloy wheels, Front & Rear spoilers, aluminum drilled pedals, illuminated Lexus scuff plates)
- Bi-Xenon Adaptive headlights - Heated/Ventilated Seats - Leather - Sunroof - 6-speed automatic trans with paddle shifters - XM satellite radio - Never winter driven, non-smoker, accident free!
- KM: 40,000
- Exterior color: Silver
- Interior color: Grey
- Body: 4-door Sedan
- Vin# JTHBE262872011274

The car is in perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for repairs.
If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.
Thank you again for your interest.

Best Regards,
SGT. Frank Tremblay
(followed by a photograph of a man in a Canadian army uniform)

Thanks to this site didn't go through with it
Seemed to good to be true so decided to some research.

Posted by RS on April 18, 2009 at 11:59

same idea ad for 2003 jeep grand cherokee for $2750.00 to good to be true right wait for the email from moneybookers.scam scaM SCAM SCAM!

Posted by Eddie on April 23, 2009 at 09:26

Look familiar???

What a scam - get a job losers!! Note bad English, stupid excuse given for selling it and general "don't waste my time" - like they're not doing that to us!!

Hello,

Best Regards,
SGT. Frank Tremblay

Posted by Exposing the Fraud on April 28, 2009 at 08:46

this from "Ashley Lawson" <assw1@hotmail.com
regarding a 2004 Maxima. glad I did my research as well. thanks everyone for taking the time to post your scams.

Hi there,

The car is in perfect working condition, it doesn't have any dents, chips or scratches and the interior is in like new condition, never smoked in.
All the maintenance done on a regular basis and I have all the service records for it. It's accident-free and has a clean and clear title.
The total price that I 'm asking for the car including shipping will be $4,850.00. I am selling it so cheap hoping to find a buyer since the car is located in Provo, UT at MoneyBookers and I live in Scotland. I would like to use MoneyBookers Shipping Department a third party service to handle this transaction for our both safety and comfort. (they will take care of the shipping/payment).

If you are still interested just send me your full name and shipping address, phone# and I will open a case and they will contact you with all the informations about our deal.

Thank you
Ashley

Posted by ca on May 20, 2009 at 00:48

Just thought I'd add this for the record- obviously they haven't stopped yet. Or (more probable), there are heaps of different people doing it. I responded to an ad on Gumtree for a Canon XL1s video camera, and the response I got immediately rang alarm bells (advertised as being in Perth, but camera in Melbourne, seller temporarily in London). So, I googled Moneybookers and found this site, and lo and behold, there was another Canon camera mentioned, amazingly, this camera was also in exceptional cosmetic and working condition, had also only had 30 hours of use, was also only 5 months old, and also had the remaining Canon warranty- basically, an identical email except for the seller's name- in my case it is Donald Drinka!
Oh, and by the way, the asking price was too good to be true.
The operation is clearly also in the business of identity theft- even before any sale they are asking for "full name" and address details. I notice above that they even got someones date of birth when the person rang them to find out what the problem was with their transaction!
I am in the process of reporting the scam, and will update this site with any feedback I get on any action taken, though I'm not hopeful- it's obviously been going on for a few years already, so maybe raising awareness is all that can be done.
As they say, "Buyer beware!"

Posted by David on May 31, 2009 at 11:13

I had the same experience on Gumtree, AU, with a 5D MK1. Exactly the same as posted above. Reeked of a scam. Perhaps Gumtree can raise this kind of awareness with scam-like emails that get on the site. After all, there are quite a few real sellers there too. Thanks all for posting though, I still would have been in two minds about this had not other users reported their issues.

Fun times :)

Posted by Carey on June 1, 2009 at 00:37

Looks like these guys have expanded into boats in Canada.

Total Scam.

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Hello again,

The boat is in Vancouver crated and ready to be shipped. I work at 1st Move International Ltd and I will ship it on my own expense. I moved with my job to Oslo, Norway.
Moneybookers is an escrow company. They will secure your deposit. Practically you don't send me any money up front. Your deposit is verified and deposited into a trust account and this way I can't take the money until you receive and inspect the boat.You will have 5 days to inspect it.If the boat isn't like I advertised it, you can say that you don't buy it, and it will be shipped back at my own expense and you will be completely refund.
If you are still interested please send me your full details and I will open a transaction case at Moneybookers.

My best wishes and I'm waiting your response so we can move forward with this deal.

Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:06:10 -0700
From: jabbs7@yahoo.ca
Subject: Re: 2007 Malibu VTX Wakeboard boat Hammerhead ski wake boat
To: marc.nelson@msn.com

Hi Marc,

I am a serious buyer. Where can I see the boat in person?

Cheers,
Jason

From: Marc Nelson
To: jabbs7@yahoo.ca
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:15:36 PM
Subject: Re:2007 Malibu VTX Wakeboard boat Hammerhead ski wake boat

Hi,
I know that you have many choices on AutoTrader and I appreciate that you contacted me.
The boat is in a perfect condition, 100% original and the engine works great. Like you already
have seen in the pictures, no scratches, no rust, no damages, no hidden defects. I sell it so
cheap because I just moved from Canada.The boat is still registered there. Those are the reasons
why I'm selling it for $6,600.00 including the shipping and insurance charges. All documents and
the notarized bill of sale will be provided along with the boat.The transaction will be made
under an escrow company called Moneybookers.
I'm a serious seller and a fair trader and I prefer to deal only with a serious buyer. If you
consider yourself one please e-mail me back so we can start our deal.
Thank you!

Posted by jason on June 2, 2009 at 09:22

These people really sucks. They are doing the same with me since last 2 months & still I did not get my money neither my bank account is verified yet & nor they reply my e-mails.

FUCK OFF MONEYBOOKERS

Posted by John on June 3, 2009 at 17:49

Moneybookers.com is a scam. It is a fake company set up to steal money.

Posted by john on July 1, 2009 at 02:11

another 'to good to be trough' story: Volkswagen transporter multivan etc 2004, 160.000 km on Marktplaats. Actual price estimated 16000 euro to be sold for 4350 euro....drooling.
Seller Albert Haslet (Sgt. soon on mission), Moneybooker agent Harold Sean. Both in CA San Francisco.
alberthaslet@msn.com, I'll chase him whit email.
Albert Haslet...or is it Hassle...

greed...it sometimes overrules gut feeling even when it realy smells like shit
Kids..Don´t try this at home

Posted by eugenius on July 16, 2009 at 06:21

They are still on gumtree offering a Cannondale Six13 with Dura Ace group set for less than the cost of the Dura Ace and saying it is brand new. Reported it to both Gumtree and Moneybookers, like either of them will do anything.
The email I got said

Hi,

The frame has 54 cm and it is in mint condition with less than 200 Km. The bike is in excellent condition,it has no accidents ,never been down,no scratches.My selling price is $1350 which includes the shipping taxes and the insurance.The bike is in Melbourne (at MoneyBookers official location) because i am with work in London,UK for the next approximately 3 months and i am using MoneyBookers services so I can have the bike sold without difficulty.If you are interested the deal will go strictly according to MoneyBookers rules and policy.To start the official transaction, I need to know your full name and shipping details.As soon as I have this information, I will forward your details to MoneyBookers and they will notify you with all you need to know about our transaction.You'll also receive important guidelines + instructions from MoneyBookers regarding our transaction.You will have 14 days return policy, so you will have the chance to inspect the bike and inform them if you keep it or not. If you decide to keep it, they will release me the funds, if not, you will have a complete refund within 3 days. I will wait for your reply.

Kind regards.
Petar Stjepan

Come in spinner!
If it looks too goo to be true it is probably not true...

Posted by Paule on July 28, 2009 at 09:34

what crooks so glad i looked this up...i new it was to good to be true anyway.

Hello,

Thank you for your interest about my car. Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Glasgow (Scotland) right now and I have been very busy. The total price of the 2006 Acura TL is $7,700.00USD . THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I'll not negociate the price. The car is registered and located in United States. I want to keep the car for me, but I cannot register it here, as it is made for the USA market, according to US standards. So, I decided to sell it.
A few words about the car:
-2006 Acura TL
-Mileage: 53,201
-Automatic
-Title is clean.
-Engine: 6 Cylinder
-Exterior: Silver
-Interior: Black
-VIN#19UUA66236A033167
The car is like new, in20perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.
If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply.

Thank you again for your interest.

Posted by cc on August 26, 2009 at 12:59

Hi there, my account for MONEYBOOKERS has been locked for almost a month now. THe guys asked for a scanned copy of ID and Bank Statement and I did that. Even though I have written many messages to moneybookers, they dont respond. I'm worried that the company might be experiencing a financial contagion. Please somebody inform me whether their accounts are locked.

Posted by Tito on August 27, 2009 at 23:23

i recently was doing some shopping on ebay and i had heard they only allow paypal only. but was shoked to see that they also have moneybookers as a form of acceptable payment. i know if i was a seller i would instantly cancel anything that came through with moneybookers, weather ebay would agree who knows seems like they should do some reserch before adding scamy websites if their true concern is buyer protection? hmm very mixed messages here? lol

Posted by jack on September 22, 2009 at 20:09

Almost threee weeks ago my account at Moneybookers was suddenly closed - right after I deposit 170 Euros. eMails will not be answered and when using the Hotline they are not able to provide any information why the account is locked. At that point I would not recommend to use this service - BE CAREFULL!!!

Posted by Wagi on September 29, 2009 at 03:48

THANK YOU FOR THIS SITE!!! so it must be a scam. 2002 honda civic for sale for $2200 WOW WHAT A DEAL; and we almost fell for it!

the wording on all their autos for sales IS THE SAME!!! THANKS TO WHOEVER STARTED THIS SITE!

Posted by Delia on February 26, 2010 at 05:10

http://kakodolove.com/sta-je-moneybookers/ here's a got explanation for this problem.

Posted by george on May 4, 2010 at 08:14

Thank GOD for this site. They are even trying to sell beautiful horse trailers for a third of the price. I'm sure glad I did my research. Here's the string of emails beldow.

Hi again,

The trailer is not stolen or else and i don't received any money until you verify the doc and the trailer, i don't have the doc to me because i left with the trailer.
Here is the process that we will use:
1. First i will need your full name, full shipping address and phone number so i can open the case to Moneybookers
2. They will contact us with payment details, you will make a refundable deposit to there account.
3. Once they confirm me that the deposit is made i will start the shipping process and provide you the tracking number.
4. You will received the trailer and you will have 5 days to inspect the trailer at your home address ( will come with all the doc and papers).
5. After this 5 days you need to decide if you will keep or not, if you will keep then you sign all the papers and transfer to your name.
6. If not then you will received the payment deposit back in full amount and i will ship it back (you can refuse only if you find any hidden problems or the trailer is not the same).
7. I will be paid only after you decide if you keep it, the deposit will be secure to there account.
I will wait your info back to conclude the deal safe.

Regards,
Frank Cobs

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 20:37:42 -0600
From:
To: frankcobs@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: 2002 EXISS 3 HORSE

I"m unfamiliar with purchasing through Moneybookers.

Could you please send me the serial number of the trailer so I can search the trailer to confirm that it isn't stolen or has a lien against it.

I"m very interested, and am serious, and have sufficient funds to pay for it once I can ensure myself that there are no illegalities involved.

thanks, Mike

On Sep 13, 2010, Frank Cobs wrote:

Hi there,

Thanks for your inquiry regarding my trailer and sorry for delay. The trailer is in good condition. The price that i ask is $3,750 CAD include shipping cost!
I'm selling to the fact I moved back in England and my wife that is pregnant and sometime next month our baby will be born and we want to be prepared for everything that may come.
The trailer is located currently in Quebec and will be shipped to the buyer's address for a 5 days inspection period. The financial part of this deal will be managed by the Moneybookers.
If you want to purchase please email me back and i will explain the process!

Regards,
Frank Cobs

Posted by Mike on September 15, 2010 at 03:30

I'm very unhappy with MoneyBookers.com

I'm an old client for Paypal.com for various purposes, but I'm looking for other alternatives and my clients have been telling me to use MoneyBookers.

After various of checking for months, I decided to open an account and 3 days ago, I started my very first transaction by letting one of my client sent me money.

I have verified my address (the letter was sent to my house with the code) and I had confirmed the code in the website as well. My credit limit was increased and I'm ready to withdraw the sum my client sent me.

It was $250 USD. On 11th April I withdrew the sum. The next day, I logged in to check for any updates and found that my withdrawal was canceled along with a deduction of $3 for "withdrawal" failure.

The reason was: "Following an audit of your account, we must advise that your account has been frozen. Please provide the following documents: - A full colour copy of a valid, official identification document; such as your international passport (double page), national identity card or drivers licence (front and back). This is required in order for us to verify your identity. - A copy of a paper utility bill (Gas Bill/Electricity Bill) or bank statement issued in the last three months clearly displaying your name and address that has been received at the registered postal address detailed on your Moneybookers account. This is required in order for us to verify your address. The required documents/information should be sent via email to security@moneybookers.com. "

Okay, I was disappointed by the horrible scam here. If they really need the documents, they should have asked them BEFORE I created the account. Asking the documents AFTER I have money in the account is a way to FORCE me to hand the document to them.

With no choice, I sent them the scanned Driving License (Front and Back) and my Credit Card statement on March 2011. In the scanned document, I stated that "For use only by MoneyBookers.com, to verify the ownership of the account xxxx@xxx.com and the legal ownership"

It's going to be 48 hours soon and I have yet to receive any replies from security@moneybookers.com

I used to think Paypal was horrible, but their customer service replied and always helps whenever there's problem.

Now since I cannot confirm the withdrawal, I cannot ship out the goods my client ordered.

This is horrible, and yes, MoneyBookers.com is horrible.

It wasnt a big sum, only $250.

Posted by Seizhin on April 14, 2011 at 13:56

I have made a withdrawal request on last 3rd aaug from monebookers of USD 676.42 to my bank account but did get yet. All of my information are verified, and previous i have withdraw as well.

Couple of times, I have contacted with support center and complained as well but didn't get any proper response yet.

Can anyone suggest me about this matter?

Posted by Morshed Alam on August 24, 2011 at 23:55

All those who have complained about Money bookers,thank you , but you need to contact your Local Police Fraud squads ,Eventually money bookers will be exposed for what they really are, Money launderers who are using your funds to wash dirty money coming in from other countries.
The slow service is simply a means of using YOUR funds to play the money markets.
It is now 2011 and there are zero excuses for slow service in the online industry.

Posted by jonno on October 4, 2011 at 06:46

" All those who have complained about Money bookers,thank you , but you need to contact your Local Police Fraud squads ,Eventually money bookers will be exposed for what they really are, Money launderers who are using your funds to wash dirty money coming in from other countries.
The slow service is simply a means of using YOUR funds to play the money markets. "

GO TO

http://simplyelectronicsnot.webs.com

THIS IS THE EXPLANATION WE ARE LOOKING FOR.....
THANKS

Posted by NikonTherapyGr on December 3, 2011 at 21:05

OMG I WAS ABOUT TO GET SCAM JUST RIGHT NOW GOOD THING I DIDNT PROVIDE WITH PERSONAL INFO. JUST MY NAME AND ADDRESS... CURIOUSLY, I CHECKED THE WEBSITE "MONEYBOOKERS" AND I FOUND ALL THIS STORIES....THANKS TO EVERYONE
From: Nicole Draffen

Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: Recycler Buyer Inquiry

Hello,

Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Ottawa, ON (Canada) right now and I have been very busy.Anyway,thank you for your interest in buying the car. The car is located in US right now and has US papers.Why is the price so low? because i recently relocated so i want to sell the car since i get a new one here.So all that I want to do now is to sell the car at this price because I need to sell it fast.The title is clean and you will have absolutely no problems to register the car in your city.

I will tell you a few words about the car.

My 2007 Honda Civic LX Coupe with Automatic transmission it is in immaculate condition with 32,538 Miles, rust free , no scratch and hasn't been involved in any accident. The motor runs very well.The interior looks great( NO SMOKING).This car needs nothing,the title is clear ,it is not a salvage one.Body style Coupe and the Engine is 4 Cylinder Gasoline.

I want this transaction to go smoothly enough as I am caught in the middle of some very important events and have little time at my disposal. I already have tones of emails so I hope you understand that I need to sort them out. The car is like new, in perfect conditions,accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. a genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.

Here are all the photos of my car. The pictures are recent, and they were taken right before preparing the car for sale.
The car is exactly as shown in the pictures: http://s1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc440/ndraffen12/

The price is $5,000.00 USD THIS IS MY LAST PRICE.I will not negotiate the price.I will take in consideration only those buyers who are really interested in buying the car ,to be sure that I don't waist my time with endless discussions.This way,I shall be assured of the serious intentions .

So if you are interested please email me back for next step.

Regards !!

~~ Nicole ~~
HER SECOND EMAIL....................

Hi,
Look how we will do this step:

Before leaving I had prearranged shipping and also the payment with MoneyBookers. so my presence in U.S isn't necessary(The car is locked in a MoneyBookers warehouse New York ready for delivery). The price of car $5,000 includes all the shipping costs,so you won't have to pay any extra charges.

Here is what I suggest:we will use MoneyBookers which acts like an escrow service , you make a deposit of 20% the price of the car in a MoneyBookers managed trust fund ( they hold the money until you receive the car ), I send the car over( the car will be delivered with the title, owner's manual, 2 sets of keys, service records, and of course the bill of sale authorized and signed by me),I will offer a 3 day period from the day you receive it from the shipping company,you can inspect it, take it to a mechanic to check it out, drive it and then if you decided to keep it, you'll confirm to MoneyBookers the sale so that they can start paying me and then you send me the remaining money. If, by any reason, you will not be satisfied with it ( even though I can assure you that it is exactly as described), you can return it at my expense for a full refund of your money, no questions asked.I think this is more than fair for the both of us.

NOTE: The deposit (down payment) is refundable, and is just a security measure, to make sure that you are serious, and that I am not going to ship the car, and loose time and money.

So if you are interested to go ahead with the deal, please reply with your full name, shipping address and phone number so I can ask MoneyBookers to open a case! After, they will contact you explaining all the details regarding the payment.
I'm looking forward to hear from you.

Thank you,

~~ Nicole ~~

Posted by gc CAlifornia on December 10, 2011 at 03:47

just right now she reply to me:

Message body
Ok Miguel, I will contact MoneyBookers right now and I will open a case with them about our deal,and they will contact you with more details,and explain better the whole process.they must contact you with all the necessary information you might need about our deal as soon as i will forward them your date's.So as soon as you make the deposit the car will be shipped immediately, and it will be delivered to you in max 2 days. If you are not completely satisfied with the car upon inspection you have absolutely no obligation to buy. Moneybookers may contact you either via email or phone so you have to be online and make sure to check all your mail folders from time to time.

Let me know after you will receive the Invoice from MoneyBookers.
Thank you for your time and kindness.
Nicole

Posted by gccalifornia on December 10, 2011 at 03:52

i lost 35$ when transfering my money from MB to my local bank account....

frauds

Posted by satcky on December 28, 2011 at 17:54

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